When you've kissed someone for the first time, how often have you asked first? I'm not making an analogy to Trump's behavior here. I'm saying the formalities of consent, particularly at first base, are not as clear-cut in practice as they're often made out to be in these discussions.

Of course it is. But when does it stop? If nobody does anything, never.

It's consent when it is, it's not when it's not. Unfortunately, with people like him, sometimes it is. And by "people like him" I don't mean rich or famous, I mean abusive. They never seem to have a shortage of victims.

It doesn't even sound like he was gushing over Trump or bashing Clinton. Not even a little. He mentions his support for Clinton while making Trump sound like Darth Vader.

Of course. What else could they be?

Trans is a choice, unlike anything else we're talking about.

How about the Republican party itself, after the Know-Nothings and Whigs fell apart. Later they were briefly split asunder by Teddy Roosevelt and his Bull Moose faction. Also, there used to be semi-credible Socialist party in the US. Unfortunately we've since moved pretty far rightward.

I have no experience with locker room talk, but it sounds terrible no matter who's describing it.

If that's true, how can stars obtain valid consent? How do we filter out the star factor? Why is there a star factor?

Because status isn't determined by individual wages, it's determined by background. And background determines your wages, moreso than gender. Gender is a factor. Background is a much bigger factor. Gender and orientation are spread across all economic strata. Race doesn't work that way.

Right. Granted. But put the racial numbers next to the numbers in those articles, and it's not even close. This isn't a matter of either/or, it's a matter of degree. And it's not close.

My sentiments exactly.

There are people (men too) who really do want that kind of attention from the rich, famous, and/or powerful. There are people who will stand in line for it. I think that's awful but I can't stop them. Trump's problem is he doesn't bother to find out what anyone wants, he just does it. No one is saying there's not…

It means black people continue to face broader and deeper problems, and haven't seen any positive legal developments in a generation or two. Again, I think he's wrong in making it bianary or exclusive, but he's right that there is a difference in magnitude that no one should ignore.

He's wrong about bianary, but not about sorting. There simply aren't any gender-based ghettos, and being non-white in our society is much more likely to hold you back. Gay neighborhoods are typically among the most prosperous, and while gender does affect individual wages, gender does not affect anyone's…

He's pointing out that when there's consent, there is. And we don't know that there universally wasn't. Unquestionably, in many instances there wasn't consent, which is all we really need to know about Trump.

Right. My point is it's hardly unreasonable to see the latter as a bigger issue. They can have different priority levels without being mutually exclusive.

The headline isn't entirely representative of the points being made, controversial though they may be. Chappelle is clearly not pro-Trump, and I wouldn't say he's pro-groping either. He pointed out a degree of nuance to the groping story that got (rightly IMO) buried under the more obvious aspects.

To the extent that being black affects their poverty level, oh yes they do. The whole family gets kicked out.

Her recent Beyonce act was a little… awkward. She's like a counter example to Chappelle here. Makes good points about gender but seems ignorant, at best, on race issues.