I suspect that's where this is going too, but let's at least see the fallout before declaring Sansa's rape a "woman in fridge" device.

I'm not sure if you're saying that did pay off or it didn't. That wound definitely slowed him down for his fight with Brienne.

LF was never a peasant. He's the son of a minor house, that's all. But he was important enough to be warded (or whatever you call it) by the Tullys.

Yeah, I don't buy them just waltzing into the Water Gardens and strolling up to the heir to the throne and his intended (especially when said intended is none too popular with a lot of the locals). That bit was way too video game cut-scene for me. But whatever. We'll see where it goes.

It cracks me up how much she hates the Tyrells, and she doesn't even know they engineered Joffrey's death. She doesn't even hate them for the right reason! She's an idiot.

I don't think LF gives a good god damn. I think he knew exactly what he was leaving Sansa to. He assumes they won't kill her, and that's all that matters to him. People who think LF cares about Sansa are crazy.

I trust the writers did it because not to do it would mean Sansa has more plot armor than Tyrion and Dany combined. Sansa's fate was always to get married to someone for political advantage, even before all this mess. That's how it works in this society, and Sansa's not one to go against the rules. Even her parents…

Dude. It was the consummation of a marriage Sansa entered into willingly (albeit ill-informed, under pressure, and with precious few other options). It was also rape.

I'm hoping this is the low point in terms of all the "good" guys getting their necks stepped on, and the rest of the season will be the pendulum swinging the other way. I mean, excepting Arya and accepting that your mileage may vary regarding who's "good," this episode sees the Tyrell's defeated by Cersei, Sansa…

I agree with this. Making Sansa's rape about Theon is gross. And giving her an empty victory over the silly kennel master's daughter like that's empowering is just annoying. Like, "Ooh, she put the bitch in her place . . . but it's going to take a man to be victorious over a man."

Uh, if a defenseless girl marrying a well-connected psychopath in a society that doesn't believe in marital rape isn't enough warning of what's coming, then I don't know what to tell you.

Well, I would argue that Sansa was raped, as was Dany, as were countless women who had no choice but to marry and have that marriage consummated (pleasantly or otherwise). Other than that, I agree with you. I mean, Theon watching is Ramsay's extra little psycho twist on the situation, but otherwise I'd imagine this is…

Or she could be further empowered? This idea that raped persons can only ever be victims — forever — is kind of awful.

Honestly, I'd say yes. A woman with no family to support her marries a well-connected man, in this society. How was her wedding night supposed to end? Would I experience a certain visceral thrill to have her chop off his dick and run off to join the Sand Snakes or whatever? Sure! Did I want Theon to rush over and cut…

So a person can't be raped yet still transcend victimhood? Look, I agree that this snarls Sansa's apparent narrative trajectory this season, but I think it's pretty crappy to say "Oh, she was raped, therefore she's on a different narrative pathway than agency." Hey, maybe a woman who was starting to develop her own…

So that would have been better for you? Sansa saying "Oh yes, Ramsay," and pretending to enjoy the rape and voyeurism? I honestly don't see how that's better.

Sansa didn't say no. (Note: Regardless, even if she'd said yes, it would still be rape.) How do you know she won't light that candle next episode?

No. First, let's separate what happens to Jeyne from what happens to Sansa, because they are two different storylines. That said, I concur that what happened to Sansa here was horrible, especially because of Ramsay's callousness and because of the presence of Theon. That said, please imagine me a scenario in which…

But another character does. So is your problem that this happened, or that it happened to a character that you care about?

But Tyrion wasn't complicit in the murder of her parents and sibling(s). Nothing in the show suggested he was. Admittedly, Sansa may have assumed as much, but everything we know about Sansa also tells us that she would recoil from Tyrion because he's not a handsome white knight. Idealizing victims is not the way to…