Ugh, Dr.Robuttnik's full quote is "it's not like I think I'm supposed to take their libertarian agenda as fact. You just think magicians would be a little better at hiding their agendas."

"I think I'm supposed to take their libertarian agenda as fact. You just think magicians would be a little better at hiding their agendas."

That is so cool, phodreaw. I had no idea what Placeholder was talking about until I clicked on your profile. Thanks for the slides. Glad my signal processing courses in school didn't go to waste!

"It is much more reasonable to explain why you believe there is no god using facts and logical arguments."

Anybody still championing it and "shoving it into everyone's face?" Pretty sure the "radical atheists" think the big bang was real.

And for the record, I wasn't being hostile. I swear! :P Although I did bristle at the phrase "logical intimidation." That was a "now I've heard it all" moment.

"The thing I was trying to get at when I used the phrase "logical intimidation" was more along the lines of trying to find a way to say "preachy sarcastic snark" and I thank Placeholder for putting it so well as to say that it is a turn off. This is not to say I dislike atheists, I simply dislike anybody who…

"Even if you think it's technically accurate to call the Bible a 'fairly tale' and god 'your invisible friend who lives in the sky', I hope you recognize you aren't going to bring over many converts with that kind of derisive attitude. "

"And even I don't entirely believe that sentence because all the authors I mentioned and others I could have are all best selling authors. Something else is afoot. "

""wine turning into wine"

"and the other through logical intimidation."

I missed a section of a sentence. It should have read:

"If you cannot prove something one way or the other than you can only doubt. "

Great list, Puss. Now, are any of these people, whether good cop (Tyson) or bad cop (Dawkins) as big as Sagan was back in the day? No. But that happens in all endeavors. Just as no one in the NBA now is as good as Michael Jordan. Maybe we'll get a Sagan soon. Maybe never.

"I reallywish someone like Sagan rather than Dawkins (or Myers) was trying to promote science."

I was looking for this quote and could not find it until now.

Automatic, is their a scientific theory that goes against atheism? If so, I'd like to hear it.

Agreed. 32 songs for $9.99? Not bad at all. I got it last year and it proved to be a great place to start for me.

New atheists are (partly) to blame!
At least according to Mooney and Kirshenbaum. They failed to provide data to prove this though. This caused quite the war of words between PZ Myers and the authors.

And of course, if he's corruptible you know the telegraph can't be used for for communicating anything you'd like to remain private.