Ah ha, yeah, "This is punk! I shouldn't have to pay!" encapsulates everything that's messed up about how Palmer's aesthetic/scene/whatever intersects with her business practices in this case.

Ah ha, yeah, "This is punk! I shouldn't have to pay!" encapsulates everything that's messed up about how Palmer's aesthetic/scene/whatever intersects with her business practices in this case.

I can't peer into Palmer's mind, though I think that if someone is in fact conscious of money at all and of the costs of being a struggling up-and-coming musician — as Palmer's personal history obviously indicates she must be — then she couldn't have been 100% unconscious of what she was doing.

I can't peer into Palmer's mind, though I think that if someone is in fact conscious of money at all and of the costs of being a struggling up-and-coming musician — as Palmer's personal history obviously indicates she must be — then she couldn't have been 100% unconscious of what she was doing.

If it were a flash mob, you wouldn't have to even prove you knew the song she wanted you to play in order to be allowed to show up, much less submit an audition tape and interview with her and do rehearsals.

If it were a flash mob, you wouldn't have to even prove you knew the song she wanted you to play in order to be allowed to show up, much less submit an audition tape and interview with her and do rehearsals.

We all agree that we don't have the legal power to force Palmer to do what we want, and aside from that all I can see "entitlement" as is as a way to label very strongly held opinions as somehow less legitimate.

We all agree that we don't have the legal power to force Palmer to do what we want, and aside from that all I can see "entitlement" as is as a way to label very strongly held opinions as somehow less legitimate.

Please stop using the term "jamming". Are they playing Amanda Palmer's songs, as written, in order to replicate the sound of the songs as heard on the recording? Then it's not jamming, it's a fucking paid performance.

Please stop using the term "jamming". Are they playing Amanda Palmer's songs, as written, in order to replicate the sound of the songs as heard on the recording? Then it's not jamming, it's a fucking paid performance.

I think this is still a fundamental values difference — "Fair pay for an honest day's work" is defined by the nature of the work and the nature of the pay, not just by what the employer successfully got the employee to accept in a contract.

I think this is still a fundamental values difference — "Fair pay for an honest day's work" is defined by the nature of the work and the nature of the pay, not just by what the employer successfully got the employee to accept in a contract.

I'm only kind of half-joking when I say that if @TashaRobinson:disqus really believes what she's saying, she should be in favor of a flat tax.

I'm only kind of half-joking when I say that if @TashaRobinson:disqus really believes what she's saying, she should be in favor of a flat tax.

Tom wasn't trying to get tremendously rich by creating a fence-whitewashing industry or anything. He was just trying to get out of an unpleasant chore that he was perfectly capable of doing himself but just didn't want to.

Tom wasn't trying to get tremendously rich by creating a fence-whitewashing industry or anything. He was just trying to get out of an unpleasant chore that he was perfectly capable of doing himself but just didn't want to.

In the long run this argument is completely true — that is, in broad concept, the idea behind a democracy.

In the long run this argument is completely true — that is, in broad concept, the idea behind a democracy.

Yeah, @TashaRobinson:disqus , if you don't believe people are entitled to things like "Fair pay for an honest day's work" but believe they should be abandoned to the vicissitudes of the market and that any contract they can scrape up for themselves is acceptable by virtue of being what they signed, then we don't have…

Yeah, @TashaRobinson:disqus , if you don't believe people are entitled to things like "Fair pay for an honest day's work" but believe they should be abandoned to the vicissitudes of the market and that any contract they can scrape up for themselves is acceptable by virtue of being what they signed, then we don't have…