Don't ever discount "people dozing off to a show they've seen a million times before because it's comfortable and comfortable stuff puts them to sleep" when trying to figure out late night ratings. The rules are different.

Don't ever discount "people dozing off to a show they've seen a million times before because it's comfortable and comfortable stuff puts them to sleep" when trying to figure out late night ratings. The rules are different.

I take it you've never been to a mall. Take a look at the general population some time and report back to me.

I take it you've never been to a mall. Take a look at the general population some time and report back to me.

Yeah but you know who else was great at crowd work?

Yeah but you know who else was great at crowd work?

A lot of episodes are on youtube, but there's a few chunks missing. Frustratingly.

A lot of episodes are on youtube, but there's a few chunks missing. Frustratingly.

The fact that Seven of Nine is 100% directly responsible for Obama's election never ceases to amaze me.

The fact that Seven of Nine is 100% directly responsible for Obama's election never ceases to amaze me.

Take5, the sun isn't a disc, it's globe. Boundaries could be marked spherically as distance from the star at the center. So when I use Pluto's orbit in the example it would mean any point 3,700,000,000 or fewer miles from the sun (and in any direction from the sun) would be our "turf."

Take5, the sun isn't a disc, it's globe. Boundaries could be marked spherically as distance from the star at the center. So when I use Pluto's orbit in the example it would mean any point 3,700,000,000 or fewer miles from the sun (and in any direction from the sun) would be our "turf."

I guess I see your point but I would think solar systems would be a natural way to establish territory, with planetary orbits making the natural lines that would serve as dividers, and I would suppose at some point you'd be past a certain distance from a star and be in "international waters." I mean clearly Earth…

I guess I see your point but I would think solar systems would be a natural way to establish territory, with planetary orbits making the natural lines that would serve as dividers, and I would suppose at some point you'd be past a certain distance from a star and be in "international waters." I mean clearly Earth…

Palaeotrekkie, I have no problem with you liking the show, but you're not going to convince me that Voyager didn't squander its potential. They're lost in alien space, but they don't seem all that bothered by it and all the stuff they encounter is the same as back home. There's no sense of danger, no sense of…

Palaeotrekkie, I have no problem with you liking the show, but you're not going to convince me that Voyager didn't squander its potential. They're lost in alien space, but they don't seem all that bothered by it and all the stuff they encounter is the same as back home. There's no sense of danger, no sense of…

I like the Carnival Cruise analogy. And that's my problem with Star Trek in general, but Voyager in particular, that alien worlds always seem just about as alien as Western Europe. It really does feel like all this exploring the galaxy is just going to one planet after another where the weirdest difference is they…

I like the Carnival Cruise analogy. And that's my problem with Star Trek in general, but Voyager in particular, that alien worlds always seem just about as alien as Western Europe. It really does feel like all this exploring the galaxy is just going to one planet after another where the weirdest difference is they…

I see what I did there.

I see what I did there.