Ultimately, this is not a plot that should be done in an origin story.  Superman forced to kill and live with the consequences is only an interesting story if Superman is already known to never kill, no matter what.  Doing it in the origin story is stupid.  This is his first battle with a real enemy ever, and he kills…

Wow. Juanito, I bet you're fun to talk politics with.  These are all people's opinions about a Superman movie.  Take a few deep breaths and lay off the personal attacks.  From Snyder's own defense of the ending:  “In the original version of the script, Zod just got zapped into the Phantom Zone,” Snyder explains on the…

Not if you watched it on tv like I always did.  On tv they arrest Zod after Supes throws him off the cliff.

I actually agree with this (not neccesarily that I think it works, but that his grief over Zod is because he's a Kryptonian, not because killing is wrong).  I think that could be a really interesting movie, but that's not Superman, and I don't understand why you would call that entirely different character Superman,…

No I mean stretched across an entire film as in a plot point that comes up before the end.  As I explained above, those other moments are not I won't kill moments (except I guess maybe the army), they are don't reveal your secret moments.  In none of those moments was killing a logical response to the situation that…

I think he was a great Pa acting wise.  The problem was they had him give all the wrong advice.

Yeah, but I mean have this character progression take place over more than a few seconds, like possible stretched across the plot of an entire film.

It should have been.  Oh, it should have been.

Agree completely.  Limitations force creativity. 

But those moments weren't killing is wrong moments, they were don't give up your secret moments.  With the kids or the guy in the bar, he could have just beat them up or something without killing them, but didn't want to risk his identity as Pa taught him.  He never had a reason to be tempted to kill until Zod.

I really like him in things like Tin Cup too, and even in weird straight to DVD movies like Dragonfly, I find him compelling.

SPOILER:  Another thing I'm surprised doesn't get mentioned more is the flip on the whole nature versus nurture thing.  Superman used to be an alien who learned good wholesome values from his farm family, values that caused this all powerful being who could have easily ruled the world as a despot to instead be its…

SPOILER: The thing is, he forgot a step.  It's not like Superman doesn't know killing is wrong until he kills somebody.  That's stupid.  Most of us have never killed anybody and we know it's wrong.  That has to be established first, that he's against killing.  Then when he is finally driven to break that rule, we…

I love Open Range.  I actually think I love Costner in everything.  I never think of him when I think of my favorite actors, but I can't think of a single time I've not liked his performance.

Also, I'm high right now.

At first Gary X's comment got a mild chuckle, but then the image of this fit intellectual writer realizing they didn't put fit there and getting offended sunk in and made me laugh out loud.

Not until the prequels.

That joke is actually a great example of what I mean.  Cranston was just as good of an actor then, but the role he was in didn't lend itself to people noticing. 

While the Av club is often pleasantly sharp and cutting with it's wit (particularly in the comments), I can't recall the general commentariat mocking anyone's death.  Even when not respected or actively disliked people have died, I seem to recall any time anyone went for a mean joke the general reaction was show a…

My natural instinct is to agree with this, but it's hard to compare different eras.  TV actors before the modern era never got the opportunity to play the kinds of characters they get to play now, nor did they get to work with scripts that approach drama and long form storytelling the way actors now do.  It's weird…