A 22 year old male character who supposedly had finally learned to respect women as people and not objects for him to fuck.

Interesting. But doesn't the fact that the Senior Partners held the key to defeating the First with ease kind of imply that they were *vastly* more powerful? Maybe the First did come before the Senior Partners, but over time while the First was trapped in a hole for centuries, the Senior Partners only grew and grew in…

That is one of the only good things to come out of the comics, and I'm totally sticking to it. Anything else makes Buffy come across as morally bankrupt.

Oh wow, if Dawn had been the one to show up? That would have been utterly hilarious. Here, let's watch a little girl lecture a 248 year-old vampire about proper morality when it comes to magic spells.

Fuck *everything* about "The Girl in Question". Seriously just shove it straight in the incinerator. The episode's writer actually tried to defend himself once by saying one of the two people on Andrew's arm was going to be a man and the other a woman but it 'just didn't work out' at the last minute. Hahaha, fuck you.

True, the Old Ones predate the Senior Partners, and the Old Ones themselves are pretty well-grounded in continuity (brought up for the first time by Giles was back in the first season, believe it or not). I think by the time of modern day in Angel, the Senior Partners had become the most powerful faction *other* than…

It has, but these comment sections have been such a delight. I could talk about Buffy/Angel for days on end, and everyone on here is generally very intelligent about it, so this has been a nostalgia-rush in the best possible way, with a lot of great discourse to match.

Oh yeah, Critically Touched. Boy does that forum bring back memories. I was a commenter on there a couple years ago when I first got into Buffy. It's probably the best Buffy/Angel forum ever made, to be fair, and I had a lot of great conversations about the show, but the guy who ran the site (and wrote that Season 7…

That feeling when your fans know your own show better than you do, that's gotta sting.

After all the character development they gave Xander over the years regarding emotional maturity and such, that scene really pissed me off. I guess it's par for the course with all the other character assassination going on, but still.

That was such a weird creative decision to be honest? "Okay, we're ending the show Joss, who should Buffy's last ever villain be?" "Hmm… how about that one-off from the back-door pilot for Angel back in season 3."

Even if she ate zero people ever they still should have stopped her. The horrible part wasn't the eating people, it was the mind-slavery. Angel prioritized free will above all else, and Jasmine was anathema to that.

Exactly. That was simultaneously the best and worst episode ever. Best because it showed that "Chosen" actually had consequences other than that self-congratulatory 'we changed the world' stuff. Worst because fucking ANDREW talks down to Angel as if he's still morally superior.

Wolfram and Hart was so superior to the 'First' that it's not even funny. What's interesting to me is whether or not the continuity of Buffy and Angel even lined up anymore by the end. Angel laid out a pretty clear mythology of the Powers That Be and the Senior Partners (i.e. the good omnipotent beings (sans Jasmine)…

Morally conflicted as it was, they did make the right decision stopping 'world peace', because the kind of world peace Jasmine offered was arguably worse than any plan the Senior Partners ever devised.

Exactly. Buffy and the gang unleashing every Slayer in the world all at once may have been a nice little feminist message or whatever (that point is *very* arguable), but it didn't do shit to stop the First. Absolutely nothing any of the characters on the entire show did this season made one damn bit of difference at…

After the Fall was great. I was one of the few people out there who didn't entirely like "Not Fade Away" and found myself more depressed than satisfied. After the Fall turned out to be everything I wanted from an Angel series finale though. Never read any of the subsequent Angel comics, or any of the Buffy comics, and…

Thank you for hitting the nail on the head. Willow is not a lesbian. Say it with me, people: bisexual. To call her a lesbian is to forget that Oz ever existed. Now, granted, you couldn't use that word back then, and people still struggle to use it today, but let's call a spade a spade here. She is bi.

Are we? Because Buffy sure didn't. I mean sure, they tried to stop her from killing him, but at the end of the day I think Buffy, Xander, and Giles realized that Warren fucking Mears was pretty low on the priority list of human lives to preserve. The writing basically admits this when Buffy flat-out tells her 'Willow,…

Oh, alright. Point granted I suppose. The metaphor never really landed for me because it just felt more like the real life equivalent to that would be a serial killer more than a serial rapist. But you're certainly justified in reading it that way.