Hmm, fair enough arguments: I'd simply disagree that Wesley sulked. His attitude to Lilah is his own self-loathing expanding to include her, and his response to Gunn in StB is a momentary snippiness at being asked a stupid question. I agree with what Joss says in the commentary, that the way Alexis Denisof plays that…

And as we're in the Angel thread anyway, it might as well be stated that although fandom isn't hugely keen on the last two seasons of Buffy (though, as @avclub-749a8e6c231831ef7756db230b4359c8:disqus stated, it's subjective and I personally like most of season 6 more than I liked seasons 4 and 5), the general…

Yeah, I've wondered about that before too. I guess it makes sense in that Wesley would probably steer well clear of Connor in s4 for the sake of rebuilding a friendship with Angel, but from Connor's pov does he even know that Wesley was instrumental in the whole thing? I thought Holtz basically dwelled on how it was…

Thanks for the thoughtful response. I honestly don't know what the connection is, but I do feel there is something there that is likely to incline some people more towards one character and away from the other. (I once thought I'd figured it out, but that was at 6am after a night of rewatching Angel with friends…

Well, you can't just go disproving my theories like that. I insist you pick a favourite!

It's funny, I have a couple of friends who really don't like Wes (unsurprisingly, I've argued with them a fair bit about it), and the common thread I seemed to find was that people who hate Wes generally love Connor. Personally, I love Wes and come close to hating Connor. I wonder why that is?

@avclub-e57f718840a576abbb40a7d046c4e3b0:disqus "It would be like, in the middle of Season 4 of Angel, having Wesley act the way he did in Buffy Season 3 for a few episodes."

I can never tell whether I think they're good writers or not. They seem to write average-to-reasonable episodes of some of my favourite shows. So… that's good, I guess?

Kind of makes sense to me because Angel doesn't really do much except lie around and occasionally blink (and okay, fully participate in some of the dream scenes, but not all). Would have been tougher for him to direct the usual kind of episode where he's in more than half of the scenes…

He will answer to Human Disaster, though.

Yeah, I don't imagine it would mean every following book had to have the same treatment. Three is particularly plot-heavy and I can't imagine trying to cram it all into one season.

Man, I loved this show. This episode was brilliant, but then so were a good half of the episodes (and the rest weren't bad either).

Damn. I'd never spotted that problem before. Okay, let's assume Lem did spot it but Ted told him to shut up and just pretend it wouldn't work that way and Veronica didn't think hard enough about it to spot the flaw.

Yeah, the show has a Dilbert vibe to it. So? Dilbert is about something too. (Or is when it's any good, anyway.) The soul-sucking environment of corporate work is worthy of attention, and that heartless Veridian attitude you were talking about? That's exactly the target it was aiming for…

Yeah, that's true. Plus the fact I'm guessing her copywriting skills aren't all that amazing. (Which should also make for Peggy drama later on.)

…am I in a different universe, or should affection/love not be earned? Seems like the women who give it away quickly are the ones society usually leaps to judge…

Or that these things remain as distant to her as a dream, troubling at the edge of her world but something that the adults think she shouldn't worry her little head about…

I think the mind-invading is just a vampire thing, they can read another vampire's mind or implant thoughts, but only if the other vampire is weaker than they are - and probably only if they're receptive to it in some way anyway. We saw Damon use it on Stefan really near the start of the show (to make him imagine…

She made me like Finn though. Dammit, I wasn't supposed to want to like Finn. And of course I had to like him just as he became obviously doomed. Sigh…

Yay, I really enjoyed this episode. This really did do what the sun-and-moon curse reveal did for me last year: effectively erase a slightly annoying plot arc that had been dragging its heels for a few episodes with a much more interesting set-up that gives everything a more human aspect and creates less of a Big Bad…