I like Father's Day but how did it make more sense than this? You make a paradox. Okay. Time gargoyles appear to fix it. Alright. Time gargoyles just randomly erase everyone making everything much worse. Fi… HEY! What?
The only way I can see in which it might be 'correct' is that there's an excuse about how the Time…

That's a bit ageist. He IS 1000 bloody years old, you know.

True I'm sure we'll see them again, at least when we get to the Question bit. I half expect them to bring it on themselves.

I loved it but wish it had been expanded to two episodes. It really was a miracle that it worked as well as it did but it still felt a tad rushed. Seriously, they could have dropped the pirate one and stuck Night Terrors in the spring block. It would also cut down on the father/son theme which went nowhere.

They are also time travelers. All the other time travelers remembered the other reality, and this is consistent with past comment by the Doctor about suchlike.

I loved all of it. It still would rank as one of my favourite stories even without the ending.

I was going to say I'd love a gumshoe PI episode but then realised I'd want Frobisher (the shapeshifting alien penguin PI) to be in it. Actually, screw K-9 and Torchwood, where's my Frobisher: The Maltese Penguin spin-off? (No, I haven't listened to the audio yet as I'm saving it).

I thought that was a deliberate callout. It was like bad am-dram only good.

Black Orchid was actually a shock twist at the time as we were expecting it to be aliens. I think people forget the context now.

I'm with you on that. The sense of fallibility has gone. Waters of Mars tried to do it, but then followed it with more loopy magic plotting and OTTness in the next story. I'd at least like to see some limits established somehow. The idea of being a traveller in but still a prisoner of time is powerful. It doesn't…

Why would alien threats count more? By that logic only time travelling enemies would count. Aliens have every right to come here as they aren't screwing with history. They are history.

Totally agree! How the hell would this story have been improved by aliens? Modern people in the past is sci-fi and doesn't need that. The Aztecs are totally alien to me. The priest is a monster, just a human one and the sense of danger here is real. I'd like to see them do somethiing like in the last historical in the…

So, these would be the oldest Cybermen we've ever seen on TV Who? They've been there for centuries but the old Cyberman stories were all in the late 20th century at the earliest, so these guys arrived before The Tenth Planet or the other one which I'm not naming for ancient spoiler reasons. Hmm.

Moon Unit, Dweezil and Stormageddon goes better. Good old Frank.

Well….. nuts! I love Fenric. At least he doesn't have a big chin now. But that chessboard bit and the viking. If it's not that is some serious chain yanking.

Proud HAVE been coming across as imbecilic surely?

The shop lady was an evil immortal space pirate in 80s Who story Enlightenment. Also, Nurse Gladys.

I thought the ssh was overly telegraphed with Craig but actually funnier when after saying it only works once on beings of low intelligence he repeatedly uses it on the shop assistant. Maybe it's juvenile but I think it was supposed to be funny because it was over used.

Yes, but why would Cybermen want revenge? And also gold.

I don't think The Cybermen were ever used to their full potential before on TV. The audio drama Spare Parts does the best job as it's about how they went from just like us to emotionally dead horrors. The new series tried to do that but just had them stomping about chanting delete like they had Dalek envy. Also…