No argument there. But I still haven't heard anything that has convinced me to revise my reading of the plotline (that the show intends to present Kilgrave's parents as exonerated by the reveal that the medical procedures were needed to save his life).

That or get better at character work and building tension. I don't really see either happening any time soon.

Yeah but then the unlikeliness of the escape was played up rather than glossed over.

I think they're trying to keep Carol interesting by making sure she isn't just a crowd-pleasing badass who is always right. Such as say, Daryl, who was much more interesting when he was a loose cannon neo-Nazi with a heart of gold rather than grungy, ass-kicking Jesus, as has been since he became a fan favorite.…

I've found him more likable than I thought I would before he started
hosting, and the show's been quite funny. Overall I'm impressed. However, I'm finding the political satire to be somewhat less sharp. There have been a few times where I've felt he's grabbed an issue from the wrong end in a way I don't think Stewart…

I address that further down in the thread (I said it could smack of apologism if poorly handled). I think if they had really focused on his suffering and victimization without undercutting it, while still not letting him off the hook for what he subsequently became, it could have been devastating. That's a tough line…

I agree with the pacing problem, but rather than end the Kilgrave plot sooner, I would've had it simmer in the background for a few more episodes and give us a better sense of Jessica's day to day since Kilgrave's apparent death, before her world gets turned upside down by his return. Have her tackle a few more normal…

So I seem to be in the minority here. Can someone point to the thing in the video that shows horrible, callous parents and not people gritting their teeth and making themselves do a terrible thing for the sake of their son's life? I was going to go rewatch it to see if I missed something but they show clips from that…

Or maybe it landed on the fire escape. It's worth a cursory check. It's not like they have to abandon the ambulance option to do so.

Trish repeatedly surprised me by handling things much better than tropes have led me to expect.

I wouldn't go quite that far, but I agree that both shows were strongest (and most unique) early on.

Yeah making what had appeared to be mental powers into a virus had a real "midi-chlorians" feel to me.

Your faith that it will always be possible to convince a kid to do what's in their best interest doesn't jibe with any reality I've experienced.

We only saw a few short clips from what was implied to be hours of tests and treatment.

I was under the impression that children are not capable of consent. Isn't that the law? Parents have to make children do things against their will all the time because they're too young to understand. What do you do if your child needs a lifesaving medical procedure and you try to get them to understand or trust you,…

Yeah, that's where we disagree. The re-contextualization of the "Eric" line in particular led me to believe I was being presented with "you weren't seeing callous abusers at all, just concerned people doing horrible but necessary things out of love." And I think the way his parents are presented in the present bares…

I haven't rewatched so correct me if my memory is off, but I don't know that we see anything in that video that's indefensible if we know it's necessary. They've spent hours trying to cajole their son into painful tests. I think most people would need some level of emotional detachment to get through that, and I think…

I agree with all of that, and there is some good handling of the cycle of abuse on the show. However, I get a definite sense when the show revealed that his parents were trying to help him that we are being given permission not to sympathize with him anymore. Of course no kid deserves to go through what we saw in the…

I've been very impressed with the show on this point. My only dissapointment on this count was the reveal that Kilgrave's parents were actually kind people trying to save their son's life, making his suffering a necessary trauma rather than abuse. It seemed like they traded in a chance to make a resonant statement…

That may be so, but I still don't think that door should have given him any trouble with even modest super-strength.