How would you distinguish between those two things?

So, let's predict the grade Ruby Sparks will get now: C+?

So, let's predict the grade Ruby Sparks will get now: C+?

@avclub-57db7d68d5335b52d5153a4e01adaa6b:disqus I guess I was responding to his assertions that reading Cliff's Notes is the same as reading a book, as well as the idea that judging a book simply for its ending is a legitimate practice. I actually am one of those who tend to enjoy a book the second time through more…

@avclub-e57f718840a576abbb40a7d046c4e3b0:disqus I guess I find that to be a false distinction. I don't really read books simply for plot; otherwise, I'd read a wikipedia plot summary instead of reading the book. But that's not why I encounter artwork, in whatever form it takes. I'm not saying that I only read what are…

@avclub-e57f718840a576abbb40a7d046c4e3b0:disqus Also, the idea that you can actually understand a work of art from a summary of the plot is simply wrong. You need to reevaluate your perspective on aesthetics.

@avclub-e57f718840a576abbb40a7d046c4e3b0:disqus Let me explain further: if you don't have the context of the entire book to give the ending weight, you have no idea whether the ending is good. You're missing the majority of the substance of the artwork. In fact, you're more likely to miss out on great artwork because…

That's beyond idiotic.

I've been thinking about this a lot, actually. Now when I start to compare all Sorkin's work, so many of the characters have the exact same voice regardless of their background, characterization, situation, etc. It's to Sorkin's credit that he writes that kind of character well in each show/movie, but it's literally…

I've been thinking about this a lot, actually. Now when I start to compare all Sorkin's work, so many of the characters have the exact same voice regardless of their background, characterization, situation, etc. It's to Sorkin's credit that he writes that kind of character well in each show/movie, but it's literally…

Gorecki's 3rd Symphony. Although I guess if you've ever grieved, you probably did live in it for a while.

Gorecki's 3rd Symphony. Although I guess if you've ever grieved, you probably did live in it for a while.

In short, I think that while both male and female characters are obsessed with their love lives, the majority of characterization given to the women is based on personal matters (and their lack of ability to deal with them), while the characterization of the men, Will in particular, is much deeper. He uses…

In short, I think that while both male and female characters are obsessed with their love lives, the majority of characterization given to the women is based on personal matters (and their lack of ability to deal with them), while the characterization of the men, Will in particular, is much deeper. He uses…

There are definitely exceptions (I agree with you about CJ and Donna, and think that the West Wing was the best of his shows in this regard), but I suppose I'll try to clarify my point. Sorkin's characterization of women tends to rely heavily on romantic/personal conflicts or professional conflicts about them as…

There are definitely exceptions (I agree with you about CJ and Donna, and think that the West Wing was the best of his shows in this regard), but I suppose I'll try to clarify my point. Sorkin's characterization of women tends to rely heavily on romantic/personal conflicts or professional conflicts about them as…

I think your counterargument is the source of the criticism. It makes the female characters seem like halves of people, in that they only have character motivations/flaws/concerns that deal with romantic subplots, or their professional issues only have to do with them being women. Also, Sorkin has a fairly bad habit…

I think your counterargument is the source of the criticism. It makes the female characters seem like halves of people, in that they only have character motivations/flaws/concerns that deal with romantic subplots, or their professional issues only have to do with them being women. Also, Sorkin has a fairly bad habit…

That's remarkably accurate.

That's remarkably accurate.