The Hulk, I believe, it in the same category as The Birds. Despite the initial hate, it got into the zeitgeist in ways that will one days look pretty obvious in hindsight.

"Oh, and for the record: Do you know me? No, you don't know me. So let's stop putting words in my mouth like you do, and get back to you saying things that have no basis in reality. Otherwise you're trolling and you know it."

Betty Banner WAS a gamma-monster for a little while. I forget the exact circumstances, though. I think it was some time during the 1970s or 1980s, the pre-Peter David years best forgotten.

"That movie fucking sucked. It had a Hulk poodle in it, and if you can defend that, then I'm sorry for you and your diminished expectations of good cinema."

"OK, you got me. Seeing you repeat the same points over and over again has convinced me that these mediocre movies are great."

Burton and Hark were good, but they were both careful to make movies that tried to improve and expand genre limits, not force people to consider these genre films on non-genre standards.

For God's sake Bee Man, when did you last see The Hulk? It's not perfect, but it's pretty good and very influential.

"But seriously? The reinvigoration/reinvention of genre entertainment in the last few years is all thanks to Ang Lee, rather than the fact that a certain segment of comic creators had been writing and pacing stories in the "modern" intelligent manner since the mid-80s?"

I thought it was trying too hard to be deep and came up thin and thoughtless, and that it was trying to be exuberant without crossing the line into silly and it failed.

I thought it was trying too hard to be deep and came up thin and thoughtless, and that it was trying to be exuberant without crossing the line into silly and it failed.

Language stuff isn't a consideration because audiences in China are used to subtitles and dubbing in pretty much everything they watch on TV and the movies, because of the multiple dialects.

Look, I saw the first Hulk movie, like, a couple of years after it came out because of the bad word-of-mouth, and by that time the stuff Ang Lee was trying to do had gotten into the zeitgeist. Nothing about it struck me as irredeemable or off-putting or whatever the public opinion had been when it first came out, and…

"Or maybe even that not all opinions can be divided into binary "this good/the opposite bad" oppositions."

. . . because it wasn't trying for middlebrow. Ang Lee did with Crouching Tiger and The Hulk something that hadn't been done before in their respective genres - namely, Make A Good Film And Ignore The Genre Geeks Who Want Something Recognizable That They Don't Have To Pay Close Attention To While They Eat Popcorn.

. . . but it's still the most influential Chinese martial arts film of the last ten years.

People with major depression who don't know they've got it, especially in non-Western societies unfamiliar with public discussions of mental health, typically come to their doctors with complaints of chronic, hard-to-define physical pain - headaches, stomach-aches, colds, etc.