Which is such a dumb thing. It's like saying "Sure, water can run off rock, but I don't believe it could create the Grand Canyon" which…actually is totally a Creationist argument.

Well, you get to the ceiling, gravity takes care of the rest.

I have no idea what you're talking about. You said that history is decided by the winners, and that's why they are later perceived as having been "right"

He could be one of the gods the parents are working for.

Okay but…so? Most modern historical interpretations pretty widely condemn it. I mean we haven't done anything to fix it but that doesn't mean the USA isn't regarded as the bad guy in that story.

Well, you're kind of moving the goal posts here, aren't you? What is defined as a "major conflict"? Because any war is a major war to the people in it, isn't it?

I can respect that there were relatively decent human beings who were forced into the conflict or were worried for the lives of their friends or families or whatever. There were probably German soldiers who had no issue with Jewish people or even didn't like the Holocaust but still felt the need to protect their…

My point wasn't about "Union good, Confederacy bad". It was about the fact that they were ultimately traitors, and nations don't generally celebrate traitors.

It's really not that different from the Nazis. Plenty of poor people not given much of a choice there too.

Someone should move to get rid of it just to see if these assholes react.

I think that, if those hypothetically existed, that is a different scenario. The British weren't traitors, we attacked them. Benedict Arnold was one and deserves more ire.

They belong in a museum!

He did, surprisingly. It was actually a pretty good speech.

YUP.

I think there's a flaw in this idea that history defines the winners as the "right" group. There are a ton of wars and conflicts where the winner is looked back on in shame.

I think that would have been the ideal narrative, theoretically.

Nope, totally understanding the First Amendment. There's a difference between what's legal (they have a right to protest and to speak their mind without being assaulted) and what's ethical (these are abhorrent human beings and they need to be driven back, for the sake of every decent American)

Maybe it wasn't a lie. Maybe they were just wrong.

After today I think there's one issue left. I'm in the minority that's supported the story from day one as an allegory for how fascism can creep into the US if you don't pay attention. And honestly, at this point, I'm looking forward to the conclusion. I could go for a story of triumphing over fascism right now.

AKA the not good people. Seriously, anyone who wants to commemorate a racist, treasonous ideology needs to fuck off.