Yeah, I wasn't looking for a universal guideline, more just other people's opinion on the matter. I have my personal line, I was just curious what other people thought.

Yeah…I think personally, for me, the line is about idealization and demonization. Are the villains dehumanized and their values misrepresented? Are the heroes perfect or the society they live in idealized?

That's more what I meant…what is the line that lets you distinguish the two?

Nah, Steve Rogers is a Nazi. Captain America is still fighting the good fight against Nazis.

And how do you know which is which?

How exactly do you define propaganda? Because if it's just anything with an overt political message, I kind of have to really disagree.

Okay, good job cherry picking one part of my argument and ignoring the rest but…no. He's clearly dodging the question.

WHEN? When were all these denouncements? Because every time he's asked, he dodges the question for as long as possible. Remember when he was asked if he denounces David Duke's endorsement, and he claimed to not know who he was? Despite literal video footage of him talking about David Duke in the early 2000s? …

And the fact that when he was directly, explicitly asked if he denounces the white supremacists who support him, he was completely silent…that means nothing to you? The fact that he rants and raves over every bad things minorities do but doesn't say a word about Mosque bombings done in his name…that doesn't sound…

Doesn't the sheer weight of "almost but not quite explicitly racist" comments ever come down on you? Like if it were one or two things, sure, I guess. People misspeak sometimes. But how many goddamn mulligans are you going to give him?

Has he ever questioned the impartiality of white judges overseeing white cases?

It's totally relevant, actually. Not true or false. False. And it's pretty fucking relevant that he repeatedly targets minority groups and accuses them of crimes they don't commit or uses made up statistics…all while, again, refusing to do so with white people.

And the fact that the vast majority of illegal immigrants aren't bringing drugs, crime, or raping people is irrelevant, then?

It had a whole hell of a lot to do with WHY he was saying it.

Let me ask you this: why is it that he never, ever talks about crackdowns on those who employ illegal immigrants? I mean, you want to cut illegal immigration way down, there's a simple solution: make it way too costly to hire them. They'll stop coming if they can't get jobs. Why does he never mention illegal…

In a civilized society, some mindsets aren't valid, no. They exist, but they shouldn't, and any decent person should stand up to them. The mindset that you should be able to murder people by the dozens isn't a valid mindset in a civilized society…which is why you can be arrested for suspicion of attempting to do so.…

Oh, I know. I was just humoring this shitheel.

Fine, he's not racist…he's just really critical of every bad thing non-white people do, and eerily quiet about white violence.

Nope. Wanting to exterminate people based on how they're born is not a valid mindset. These people were looking for a fight…they WANTED a fight, and they got one. And to my knowledge it's not known who threw the first punch, but once the violence started, the ANTIFA crowd and the BLM crowd were the good guys.

So if a bunch of black people got violent to stop a lynching, you'd condemn BOTH sides?