I hope consent is still a big issue with angels as it was a driving force in S5 since Lucifer and Michael were angels and had to get 'yes's from Sam and Dean

@avclub-cb468a6694bb6107ec377a301fc6a0df:disqus Misha said recently (JIBCon maybe?) that Jimmy was still in there screaming, and that they'd talked about Jimmy recently on set/with the producers (since Misha has said before that he thinks Jimmy is still in there but this sounded less like conjecture) THOUGH Misha also…

Agreed with @avclub-b9a25e422ba96f7572089a00b838c3f8:disqus graceless Cas will still have his memories (at least recent memories, they may play with him forgetting the beginning of time stuff but I doubt it), he was crying in the final scene - he was definitely aware of what was going on. Plus from a narrative…

I assumed it was a set up for next season too, like S7, also that letting Abaddon escape was similar to the ends of season 2 and 4 - trying to do fix one problem and creating a much bigger problem for themselves

Agree with everything you said, I liked the episode but these things were detracting. They really need to definitively address Chuck's books because the canon on that seems to be a mess. I understand that they needed Abaddon to get away so I'm sort of willing to overlook that particularly dumb move (the bunker and…

I thought that at first too, especially since the Crowley would appreciate the poetry but it was in the hotel's phone, which Sam and Dean weren't going to destroy while Crowley was monologue-ing.

I also found that very weird, although her purpose in going after Henry Winchester was to get to key to the bunker so maybe they didn't want to bring her to the place she most wanted to go?

I think God is long gone so I doubt he had influence over sending Cas. He seemed to be a ranking member of his garrison so he probably wasn't just involved in saving Dean, he probably lead the charge. As for why they picked him with his history of rebellion…? Maybe he'd proven himself a good little soldier recently…

Edlund at his best

I'm really excited to learn more about Cas, especially with this revelation that he's always been a troublemaker. Though we learn in season 7 that Cas was a Captain in his garrison I wonder how he got back up to a ranking position? I mean presumably if Naomi has had to wipe his memory numerous times they wouldn't put…

I'm curious about Abaddon's role - is she the demon they try to cure? Seems like starting with a Knight of Hell would be biting off a bit more than you can chew. It also might dash my hopes that 'first fallen, first born' refers to the Knights of Hell being fallen angels loyal to Lucifer.

@L-o-l-a My unfounded but I'll-believe-it-'till-proven-otherwise headcanon is that the brothers needed to grow up as hunters, rather than MoL to fulfill their true-vessel destinies. We know John and Mary were angelically mated and that they hated each other at first but eventually were a perfect couple. And we know…

That's what my first thought was too but I think it worked well with the way they did it, allowing her to connect with Dean on a 'didn't do anything wrong but are guilt-ridden' level

@avclub-7adb6a50e7687b45a00b35796f18f17d:disqus I've always thought Bobby and Ellen favored Dean (I mean they were even his parents in It's a terrible life) but John definitely did not favor Dean. John's preferential treatment of Sam laid down some enduring emotional trauma on Dean's end. The show usually frames…

The Amelia storyline was in Kermit

While I don't necessarily disagree, I find this funny because from what I've seen on other boards it's people moaning that Sam is the main character and Dean is only around to clean for him and cry occasionally. Dean has a lot of emotional arcs, which I find a lot of value in, but Sam has been predominantly driving…

SO MANY. DEAN IS A VERITABLE HUGMONSTER

@avclub-b9a25e422ba96f7572089a00b838c3f8:disqus What Janet said, but also furthering the ruse was helpful later on when the Winchesters had thought they'd gotten rid of Crowley once and for all - being off the Winchesters' radar is always a good thing, possibly worth the price of Bobby's soul (esp if he knew he could…

The Winchesters are the only hunters we've seen that know how to kill demons, I guess they could summon them and exorcize them but it'd basically just be putting a demon on your ass for whenever they get out of Hell

@avclub-15d496c747570c7e50bdcd422bee5576:disqus Definitely agree Dean is Castiel's 'cause' but I don't think it was a like-for-like replacement with God. Cas's major theme has always been free will and he never chose to serve God in the way he chooses to serve Dean, not to mention it's not subservience like with God…