Good point, man. If an outlaw MC doesn't dabble in criminality, then they're basically just the guys from WILD HOGS. Is THAT what John Teller wanted? Really?

Yeah, I remember the big hit on the Russians in the season premiere. They were obviously going for a climax similar to the climactic mob hit/christening scene at the end of THE GODFATHER, PART 1, but the scene, for all the violence in it, did not have much dramatic umph or, for that matter, shock value. Maybe it would…

Hell, that's not even a good movie to watch alone.

I'm not someone who hates the show by any means, save for the closing minutes of season 2 and just about all of season 3. I just get a little frustrated sometimes by what I see as them trying to water it down for mass consumption. Hence, some of the stuff we've been discussing here. As glad as I was that this show got…

That was what I thought the implication was as well. Are those guys coming back or is there no need to revisit that with the MC no longer dabbling in porn?

Jax is only going along with this deal for the greater good of winning a release from his club obligations and getting him and his family out, not $ in his eyes, and while he has murdered people on the show, he hasn't done so in any motiveless or shockingly selfish or petty way because the writers have found a way to…

I think what Dookie is trying to say, and what others are trying to say as well, is if they are bad, let them be BAD. People will still watch bad characters as long as they are compelling, well drawn, and well acted. See: BREAKING BAD, THE SOPRANOS, THE SHIELD. The criticism is not whether the characters are or aren't…

Plus, it's good old honorable coke they're smugglin', not that Devil's drug meth! If it was good enough for Pablo Escobar, it's good enough for them.

Yeah, her death was a mystery, but I don't recall that he had anything to do with it.

I agree with you that Ray McKinnon is an awesome addition to the show and I feel like the show's quality rises whenever he's onscreen. On the other hand, even though the SAMTAZ drug debacle was ultimately relevant to the overall big picture as a window into things to come for SAMCRO, it felt like an uninvolving,…

The cast looks like a who's-who of people I actually liked once, but the '90s and THE SOPRANOS were a long fuckin' time ago.

Your point is quite taken. Also, if the outlaw MC was based out of some town on the East Coast, like a small town just outside of Boston or New York, I could see the IRA connection a lot better. As it is, these are California guys, so it would make more sense that the criminal element they would be involved with would…

Yes, but it likes to tease you with mediocrity. Then, as you're about to give up on it, it hits you with something good. Ex: The barely watchable 1st half of season 1 giving way to the compelling 2nd half of season 1. Then, it will do well for a while, running on all cylinders, only to test your patience severely with…

Agreed. The entirety of season 3 was just a big distraction/delay to the main plot, which is one of the reasons why I didn't care for last season very much at all. Despite its hiccups, I'm liking season 4 much better so far.

I agree. I don't know if it's a moral objection so much as the fact that it's a newer, meaner, less predictable threat right in their own back yards that Boone is concerned about. These people cut off people's heads on a regular basis, after all.

Since they are supposedly One Percenters, it would actually be more in line with reality that they don't allow blacks in their club. Also, since I recall Clay using a lot of incorrect language and selling guns to black Oakland gangs to kill each other, I'm not sure where the idea of them being enlightened comes from.…

The straw don't go around here, Mr. Strawdog!

BRONSON was awesome, but though I appreciated what I thought he was going for, Refn's VALHALLA RISING was an impenetrable headscratcher for me.

I'd have to say that, of the two, Gosling's the better actor, at least at the moment. He also has been getting the better projects as of late. Gyllenhaal has been good in DONNIE DARKO, BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN, and JARHEAD, but Gosling, IMO, has more gravitas and seems to be trying to be more than just a movie star. I just…

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