I’m just so worried when we start to make assumptions and we assume that things are forced. There’s a huge “male chastity” community... but we’re not worried about that. Why? because, well, of that.

See, I don’t see it that way. This isn’t a father forcing shit on his daughter... she’s invested and frankly more invested than he is. That’s where I say “this is okay” because it is what she wants. And I can’t say bad things about women wanting to be “pure” because you and I both know it isn’t zero-sum.

That’s a shitty church. It really is.

Eh, if you give meaning to an “intact hymen” it has meaning. The big thing is that not everyone is the same, and what one of us thinks is sweet and wonderful may be awful for another.

Pledging purity to someone who cares about you in a non-sexual way (and yeah, pretty much ever dad is like this) is sweet amnd wonderful when it brings benefit to the woman doing it. Not everyone gets happy by being a big slut (I totally do! grrr!) and I wish we’d celebrate happiness rather than focusing on what we…

And the concept that comes from that, which gives benefit and love, should be taken as something inherently bad?

No, it is emotional care and doesn’t matter one bit. This woman needs her father’s approval. Don’t we all? I know I’d kill for my father’s approval.

I guess that if I old my father what I actually felt, I’d get hate even when I know my dad loves every part of me... but I know he’ll be upset if I want to actually transition to being who I was all along.

The dad isn’t fucking his daughter.

That’s the best of sex and if that doesn’t make someone a sexual person then I don’t know what does. Women who want to keep “their virginity” is a fetish they love. Because that just makes their non-sexual choice of partner even better than every little hookup.

Okay, but at what point does this become abusive and terrible? I mean, I’m trans and have a penis... are you telling me I’m not a woman because I actually like some of the extremes of testosterone?

Awesome. A dude telling women what they should and shouldn’t like.

Seriously, if a patent asks for certification of a medical thing, people really want there to be barriers to said expression?

The doctor who was asked to confirm a medical condition at the request of a patient?

Why does a father have any right to know the state of his daughter’s virginity?

Oh man! I wish I were making a Star Wars RPG! The Saga Edition is really good, D20-ish.

I have a good buddy who is still in the skeptical camp. Where I was last year. I hope I can convert him over in the next month and a half... grr...

Wait, we’re gonna have to wait another two years for the next one, right?

Not to take away from the rest of us, but this is really touching how both her and Boyega’s reactions were basically like any number of us watching the trailer, too :) They’re both so immensely engaged, and it makes me hope that Disney found a similar caliber of “not that well known but awesome” to match the OT.

We consider, as a society, the idea that people have “paid debts” and “reformed” to be the purpose of us justice system. Liberals believe this, at least.