America died? Get out then. People would die to live here under any circumstances.

The irony of your statement is kind of sad: the impetus for all the Trump support was a wall to keep out immigrants that, you know, would die to live in the U.S. Furthermore, the right and the isolationists don’t have a monopoly on diligence and hard work.

It’s a basic human decency vs. reprehensible assholery thing.

The disturbing thing is that all the idiot Trump supporters still think this is just about losing and a simple conservative vs liberal thing.

Spoiler alert: it’s not going to get better for them. It’s been downhill for them since the Reagan administration, but they keep voting for the folks that ship their jobs overseas, bankrupt their pensions, pull their social safety nets, etc. Asking for sympathy while shooting yourself in the foot really only…

Bullshit. California sends in more than it receives. www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/361668/

Not true, if all of that income tax from the tech industry, and the entertainment industry went to the State of California instead of the federal government, we’d be sitting pretty. And are about to have a multi billion dollar pot industry.

Of course, you are going to have to redo that map as it appears that Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin might have to join Dumbfuckistan.

And let’s face it, the Trumpanzees don’t want us anyways; they call us degenerates and mongrols. So maybe they WILL let us secede.

I’ve proposed this before:

I’m in. It’s high time the United States not be so united anymore. It’s clear we can’t agree on anything, and have no desire to either.

The entire West Coast can easily support itself, since we hold most of what the country needs. California is the biggest agricultural state, the most populous state, and holds the vast majority of the tech industry in the nation. L.A. is something like the 10th largest economy in the world.

I’m in Oregon, sounds good to me, and California is one of the largest economies in the world even by itself. :-)

It was an interesting experiment, but it’s time to gracefully admit failure. The United States aren’t working. Split up and re-group. Do over, do right

Yes. I posted this elsewhere. Why do I, in CA, have to deal with this bullshit?

8 years ago I would’ve said we are making real progress