Thats my point. 2014. If its more than 5 years old, parents will yell at you. In my family if it isn’t brand new it does not matter.

Will Navistar use the rust-out design GM has perfected?

400hp and nearly 500lb-ft of torque on a car with a wheelbase 0.6in shorter than a Z3... When the back decides to step out, which it will... frequently, it steps out very quickly. For some comparison, the Viper had a wheelbase 11in shorter than the Mustangs that apparently no one can control with 300hp.