Yeah, I thought that the slim hipped small breasted ladies looked younger, and given the fact that the stuff at VS is just very young looking in general, I thought it was maybe because they were going after younger girls. Like that PINK stuff? No one over 21 wears that stuff, right?

You do realize that there's a difference between morbidly obese and clinically obese, right?

I thought when the skinny model trend started there, it was to add a little body diversity. Now they're ALL super tall and super slim, which is confusing, because I always assumed that their target audience included men buying presents, which is why they had all those super sexy super curvy ladies in the first place.

Yeah, I think of Kate Upton as being more VS Classic, like when their ladies had bigger boobs. I only really pay attention to such things bc the hubs is a boob man and has been very disappointed in the past few years that they're all turning into skinny minnies.

Because she looks good naked.

Holy shit, I just spit my tea all over my computer.

The lady the have used is actually on AS a lot!!

We already do. Its called first class.

So, according to you, the only people who don't fit into airline seats are people who are morbidly obese? Not people who are, say, simply tall, or 10lbs overweight, or in my case, pregnant. Morbidly obese.

I'm 5'3" and about 120 and I'M not comfortable in airline seats. And I am a SMALL person. Usually one of the smallest passengers on a plane who's not a child. If I'm not "comfortable" how do the people who even SLIGHTLY larger than me feeling? If I look around, inevitably MOST people look like they are being squeezed…

Not my dignity, everyone's dignity - I'm thin and petite. I'm also a human being, and think that seats should be made to fit the majority of people who pay for tickets.

Its even shitty for us smaller folks. I'm 5'3" and my legs barely have enough space. I'm fairly thin, and getting out from my window seat to go to the bathroom looks like a scene from cirque de soleil. I can't imagine how much shittier it is because you had the dumb luck to be born with a body NOT the size of a pygmy…

Bigger seats = fewer people on the plane. So even if the individual PEOPLE are bigger, its canceled out by the fact that you pack fewer of them onto the plane. OK, so seats will cost more. I think our dignity is worth that price.

NOOOOO!!! That would mean treating EVERYONE like a human being!!! The horror!!

Can I get an ETA for when this shit will stop? Seriously.

I'm in a book club, and we read solely stuff published by Persephone. One of our book club members is British and regularly visits London and buys our books for us there, bc for some reason, they don't publish in the US (gosh, that sounds crazy-prentious, huh? I swear, it interesting!). Anyway, the focus of the…

Great example! I think the sexism is more about looking down on the female AUDIENCE rather than female writers. Do people dismiss Susan Sontag or Anne Tyler or Toni Morrison or Zadie Smith as NOT serious literature? Conversely, guys like Nicholas Sparks more or less define the sappy chick lit genre, at least in my…

No, I agree, and that's how I've always thought of it. But I have forced myself to wonder if, at least subconciously, I look down on all the pink, fluffy, frilly stuff because I look down on the kinds of women who DO like that stuff, and does that kind of make me a sexist feminist?

Exactly. Or not even that the writer is a woman, but that the audience to which the book is marketed is female, and therefore the book is of less value. Any association with women = devalued artistic form. Which is obviously lame.

I've never been a fan of chick lit stuff, but I've started to wonder if that's because its really because its bad or because I've internally coded things as "female" and therefore trite and silly.