I blame Bernie for this. When they were talking policy, with the exception of the misuse of that stupidass word “neoliberal,” it was okay. Then, Bernie realized he was losing and lost his mind, trying to make everyone believe the primaries had been “rigged.” He put the idea of “rigged” into Trump’s mouth as well.…

Yay!

I too am an academic!!! That’s why I’m careful about how I claim things.

No, they can both be true. The electoral college exists right now. It should at least do the job it’s set for. But, it’s clear that it really needs to go if a new choice can be created. However, for the system we have NOW, it’s working the way it was designed to do. That doesn’t preclude changing it later. We should.

There is already no recourse. It’s too late for this conversation you’re trying to have. We are past that now.

No, but that is, in fact, what the electors are for.

Actually, you are not correct in that claim. It’s pretty clear that the electors are there to stop any people elected who they feel are not fit.

It doesn’t matter about that now. There is no good scenario with him as president. No good scenario.

That IS confirmed. There are photos.

Right. That’s why I mentioned that I couldn’t get full confirmation, but there IS full confirmation of tampering on some of the machines from the same source. I would not be at all surprised if these other reports were true, but that’s why I didn’t say it was true, only that it appears that there is a concerted effort…

You are persistant. I’ll give you that. Of course I trust her own words, especially the ones where she apologized and corrected herself. Funny how no one required that of Bernie and his ACTUAL VOTE.

The people in Wisconsin may have been very, very bad, it looks like. There’s some conversation that they’ve been hiding ballots. I can’t get complete confirmation, but it does not look good.

Again, no. If you refuse to look at actual historical events so you can keep your confirmation bias, you aren’t competent to have a real conversation. Go back to your hole and continue with the vast game of pretend you have going on.

Let us hope so. I will remain skeptical, but let us hope so.

Well, they’re right.

Yes. It’s painful. The deliberate stupidity is strong.

Nope. Your inability to look honestly at real historical events makes you not worthy of a real conversation. I will be dismissing.

It amazes me how incredible stupid people are allowing themselves to be. They want so desperately to have reasons to hate the Clintons that they believe some ridiculous story for freaking 4chan.

No, it’s exactly what happened. Any competent student of history would understand what the vote was about and know about what she said immediately afterward.

Her ‘yes’ vote was given on a measure that was not about going to war but giving them leeway to do what they felt was needed. She then gave a huge speech right after that vote about her concern and hope that they avoided war at all costs. So, no, no “advocating” happened. As she was Senator of NY, none of her…