My low key radical opinion is that people shouldn’t be buying new (non hybrid) gas cars anymore. The fleet turnover is going to be painfully slow over the next two decades, and any new car is going to be on the roads well into the 2030's.

If an EV doesn’t work for you now save a few bucks and get something used.

This…

Yeah I probably just wouldn’t buy one new but the incentives get rolled into the lease so often on cars like this you’re looking at sub $200/mo leases which is enticing even compared to a used car

Oh noes someone wrote an article about a car you don’t like.

Relax dude, it’s not the new trabant.

You’ll have a harder time finding a manual long before you’re forced to buy an EV. 

There is a very small number of cars with an engine I’d like to actually hear.

There aren’t many 3 or 4 cylinder subcompacts on that list. 

EV torque and quiet is way better. Much more noticeable in a subcompact like this or the kia soul EV than when you’re comparing a Tesla to an MB or BMW.  

Later adopters will insist they need to be able to make a 400 mile round trip to grandma’s, over the rockies without stopping at the drop of a hat in the middle of winter before they go EV but a lot of smart money will snap up solid lease deals on these. 

you can set the speed limit pretty low if you add speed cameras.

Last time I drove in MI i wondered if they even bother enforcing speed limts at all. Seemed like everyone was doing 90 on the 94

All the OEMs have been holding back sales because they need to hit tough 2020 standards and sales in 2019 don’t count towards that.

At least in SD I’m optimistic that if we can get more protected bike lanes it’ll allow a lot more people to ditch cars in favor of ebikes.

this kind of infrastructure is relatively cheap and since the speed of traffic is exponential with congestion, probably the best bang for the buck.

Especially considering the dry,…

Well a big part is that they just don’t make that many of these, and the vast majority end up in Korea, then Europe and we basically get whatever happens to make it on the boat.

I think some of it is that the OEMs are going to have have a hard time beating up the battery suppliers like the rest of their supply chain,…

Not enough of us bought the Ridgeline, S2000 and Element.

My sister DD’s my old S2000. It’s seen better days but damn that things still fun when i do get to drive it. 

to see 50% battery degredation, except maybe in a leaf, you’d need to drive 100's of thousands of miles. Typically life is estimated at about 20% degradation for an EV and that’s already in the 300k mile range.

Also this has more to do with the motor, inverter and gearbox design than the battery. The issue is…

That’ll be handy for “Odd Jobs” 

Generally I think we should focus on making it possible for people in denser areas to go car free, with better transit, bike lanes and car sharing. This also saves them hundreds per month.

EVs are for the people who’ll still really need cars, like suburbanites.

Granted some poeple live in apartments in car centric…

yeah some people seem to think they’ll just pocket the tax deduction, drive the car for 6-7k miles and sell it for sticker.

Things will probably come back down once the first wave of 2017s start coming off lease. 

BNEF just released their average pack price survey.

We’re down to $150/kwh.

A usable EV (~200-250 miles) would be about $10k in batteries.

Once we hit $100/kwh (in about 2023) it’ll actually be cheaper to build an electric car before you take gas savings or subsidies int account. 

With depreciation that’ll very soon be called a CPO model 3 

it sucks if you want an EV but your housing situation doens’t support it.

But there are still TONS of people who have garages who could be going EV, especially compeared to the 5% or so market share EVs have. I don’t think that’s what’s holding it beck.

Also i’d say it’s a fair assumption that people who live in…