Not in PA/NJ/DEL/MD/DC/NY... and that’s just where I've bought diesel in the last month.

To be clear (now that the coffee is kicking in, finally): my argument is (and was) that the land rover case isn’t the same thing as the ones Oliver is talking about, and that you were incorrect when you said that the cars weren’t seized under import laws, when they clearly were.

I’m not a lawyer, so a specific legal explanation will have to come from someone else, but it’s not the same thing. If I had to guess, I’d say that the type for forfeiture Oliver is talking about is from people who were never charged with any wrongdoing but lost their money anyway, whereas these vehicles and/or their…

Doesn’t look like it to me.

Why do you believe that? The government agency doing the enforcement seems to disagree with you:

You do know that enforcing import laws isn’t the same thing as civil asset forfeiture, right?

Obligatory “you do understand that the feds don’t require old vehicles to conform to new car standards, right?” post.

I got pulled over while driving my 1967 Caddy convertible (had NJ historical tags on it back then) in Vegas years ago for a stoplight bulb problem. The cop didn’t care about the special plates but had a shit fit over the lack of a registration sticker on the tag - NJ doesn’t use stickers anymore and she didn't get the…

I see that Shore Toyota hasn’t changed a bit since I walked out of there with a client in ‘95 after they tried a bait and switch on us and straight up lied about having a specific Landcruiser in stock.

RUN AWAY AS FAST AS YOU CAN

If you were a car crazed 10-14 year old kid reading dad’s copy of Car and Driver in 1982, you remember just how weak and trashy the Iron Duke motor was when they put it in the (racy, groundbreaking-for-it’s-time brand new Camaro body). Those same guys are now in their early/mid 40s and are a prime demographic for the…

That's insane money. You must be young, and I'm guessing that those quotes are for full coverage. Liability only is usually far cheaper (at least here in the U.S.)

I’m not disagreeing with you, but have you seen what clean first gen Broncos are worth now? Slow, ill -handling and noisy and they're still $20k-plus.

Because some people like to sit up high and/or like the Jeep image? Style over substance... (I totally agree with you, BTW).

“The new Renegade: it’s a little better than our worst!”

Good. As a big diesel pickup owner, I’m sick of these idiots ruining it for everyone... and Gov. Hindenburg can now say he did at least one thing right for the people of NJ in his two terms in office. I am surprised he came back from New Hampshire and Iowa to actually do his job.

I think the survivors and the current owners of the cars that need repairs would disagree with you. I mean, your philosophical musings are interesting but they do nothing to fix tens of millions of defective cars or pay victims’ sometimes-extensive medical bills, or anything else concrete or tangible for the millions…

Right after you call them and tell them that they get nothing, and then tell all the owners of the defective cars that there will be no fix for them.

That’s great and all, but bankruptcy law reality says that when companies are liquidated secured creditors get paid first, then unsecured creditors, and GM had enormous retiree pension and medical obligations, among many others. In the atmosphere around the financial crisis - where Daimler sold Chrysler to Cerberus…

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