So, first off, that’s not saying new games are better with no qualification - so, nice paraphrasing but that’s not what was argued at all. New games lack creativity and new ground? What the fuck have you been playing? I’m not talking JUST Call of Honor: Battlefield, I’m talking about the games that ARE pretty…

What light? That a good game isn’t the best game just because it’s old? Undertale is too new to be on that list imo, but OoT or FF7 aren’t the best games ever, that’s my only point.

I stand firm in my belief that if FF6 was the first one that leapt out of 2D, it would be the one people can’t stop talking about. (I also think it would be fundamentally different and not necessarily for the better, but yeah.)

Right, and at no point did I say it’s a bad game. It’s amazing, and it’s one of my favourites; but that’s no reason to act like it is absolutely, objectively the best thing that ever happened to the gaming industry. It holds up just fine, but that doesn’t mean it’s the best game of all time - you can love a game and…

Absolutely! It holds up really well, but there are absolutely better games in its series, let alone gaming as a whole. I don’t think most of this thread realizes that you can enjoy a game and still recognize that it’s overrated.

Except the part where that’s the focus of the article. People are shitting the bed because Undertale and OoT are the finalists, so YES, people are saying OoT is still the best thing since sliced bread. There’s no rephasing needed, since that’s exactly what was being argued in the first place. I don’t think a game…

Er, yes? Have you seen the shit it’s up against in most cases? An indie is up for game of the year in a lot of circles, and that NEVER happens.

That’s me and graphics, mostly. Bad controls will remove me from an experience (Dragon Age: Origins) but as long as devs remember that aesthetic > graphical fidelity I’m quite happy with however many Ps the devs feel their game needs.

Absolutely, but there’s just as many ways we’ve moved on from janky controls and battle systems that were “good enough” and have been improved on since.

The internet as a global community is really good at:

I’d settle for just the understanding that there is absolutely room for innovation and for more of the same, and that having one doesn’t take away from the other.

Right? I legitimately feel for Square here. No matter what they do with the remake they’ve kicked a hornet’s nest, because they’ve either changed too much or not enough. I’m cautiously optimistic, a lot of it is going to depend on pricing and such for me in addition to actual gameplay. They’ve kind of suggested…

No, just really tired of people going on about how gaming apparently having not improved in ~15 years despite staggering evidence to the contrary. FF7 and Ocarina were the shit when I was growing up, but does that mean they’re still the best now? Fuck no.

It’s okay, I’ll spell it out for you. A piece of media can be a game-changer and still not objectively be the best thing ever. Ocarina of Time brought the series into the third dimension and paved the way for other games to do the game, that’s not something that can be argued. But saying that makes it better than…

Seriously, can the gaming community as a whole decide if we want innovation or not? Because everyone bitches about the lack of it and then ignores or berates any game or system that gives them a new perspective on anything. I don’t think Undertale is the OMG BEST GAME EVER, but it’s absolutely a solidly constructed…

It’s absolutely ridiculous. Everyone pitches 5 million fits about how gaming is too stagnant and how the industry needs innovation, and then a game comes along for the first time in a while that’s truly unique and everyone complains because it’s bucking the trends they’re comfortable with. I hate the people in this…

OoT is horrifically overrated. It was a good game, even revolutionary for its time, but to suggest it holds up today to the point where it should be remembered as the quintessential Zelda is just silly. I’d love to see where it landed on rankings if Nintendo didn’t make a point of releasing it on every single platform…

Undertale is representative of people buying content that doesn’t exist yet leading to rushed release schedules, broken games, and a level of homogeneity the industry has never seen before? Because THAT’S what’s wrong with gaming today, not the lovechild of Earthbound and Touhou with a spin on the average morality…

In fairness, this is probably just Lolking’s model viewer and how it deals with raws. Riot’s rigging stuff is proprietary to my knowledge, so getting it to behave exactly right is probably impossible.

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