I agree that it's pretty tame, but it's still silly as hell. It's like the Vanna White approach to marketing... applied to chicken wire and air filters. They may as well just not show the products and say, "What are we selling? Who the fuck knows! Call us and find out because genetically endowed females!"

They wanted to get the product in front of her but they were too cheap to buy a table.

You're right, it's a tortured analogy. I said going straight for sex isn't going to change someone's mind about whether they want to have sex with you or not, but I was wrong. It will often change their mind in a negative sense as well as damage the reelationship you already have.

Someone either steps into the ring with you, or they don't. It's their choice and throwing punches before you've gone through the proper steps to set up the match isn't going to change their mind, it just makes your actions assault.

"Then how does anyone proposition anyone for any relationship? Because even asking about "going for a drink" is laden with innuendo and could be taken as sexual harassment if not liked."

"Remember affection can become aggression not with any change in the intent or words spoken, only on whether the words are accepted. This is the difference between giving away property and it being stolen. A boxing match and a violent mugging."

It's semantic bullshit that you should find out if someone is OK with what you want to do to them before you do it?

"GOOD, excellent, wouldn't have it any other way... and she'll state her interest?"

I gave you the best answer your question deserved. How is it sexist to impose the responsibility on women to correct the behavior of sexual harassment?

Oh please. Need I remind you that you made 3 increasingly passive-aggressive and personally offensive posts before I even responded to you? All without one of them being relevant to the topic at hand. And when I turn your argument on you to show you how vacuous it is you become indignant. What a joke.

But consent IS your responsibility.

Scratching to find a place? I don't have to! You are blaming her in clear English!

You ignore us which means nothing. Literally ignoring cancer doesn't make it go away you go and get chemo.

If you offered me sex, and I said nothing against it as you made increasingly graphic suggestions, what can you expect?

who will be the judge of "demonstrated interest"?

How am I an out of touch sexist to say women should loudly and unequivocally reject sexual advances they do not want. How is that what male chauvinists want?

Never said she was responsible,

Ah, OK. I haven't played in about 4 years so I'm out of the loop.

How the fuck can you be neutral?

Yeah that's what I said on the thread I started, but I think it would lead to much more interesting writing and characterization if they fleshed people out as if they actually had backgrounds. The blank slate everyman thing is pretty stale.