nothing came up from your source.

Israel is a biblical homeland, and people often confuse the two. Israel is well known for being a host to people from all over, often times, from pretty recently. Yeah, there would be refugee problems. But there are already refugee problems in the Mideast - I doubt if the "arabs won" the Jews would just suddenly…

Ok, we're getting diverted. Arab - or Palestinian? TDo you think the neighbors will converge? I highly doubt Israel would be so easily overtaken, and most other countries around Israel - Jordan, Syria, Egypt - are pretty busy with their own problems right now. And if on the off chance, in keeping with your highly…

so this is the lesser of two evils? Israel is not innocent in those conflicts either - it has a well documented history of antagonizing its neighbors because it knows the US will back them up.

1) maybe not officially, but if its systematically happening, then someone mandated it.

I guess my question is, how does lobbying affect international politics? I have always labored under the delusion that lobbying was for a particular issue or for a partisan group.

yes. What is the point you're trying to make - that Israeli forced birth control is an effect of lobbying? That American politics is the root of this?

yeah but how long did that take, and why was it considered acceptable in the first place?

What does that mean?

Is it though? I feel like, by aligning ourselves to Israel, we have royally fucked up many potential alliances in the area. Ever since the late 40s when Israel was created, and we picked them over Palestine and stuck through with them in the ensuing wars, I feel like the US knows its wrong but refuses to give in…

I wish I still had the power to promote this comment, because ^this.

No, I know, and that infuriates me too - particularly because I want to join the Peace Corps. I am not saying one country is more wrong than another. But Israel harps constantly on the Holocaust and how they are a damaged people (which, fair enough) but then they pull this shit. You can't cry victim and then go around…

I just don't understand how things can get so convoluted. No group should persecute or mitigate another. But saying that now in regards to Israel means I'm a terrorist sympathizer.

explain further. This is warranted?

Oh I know. I was about to bring that up. And I'm mad as hell about that too - but in this day and age, shouldn't we know better? Especially Israel. The Holocaust was intrinsic to their founding, and yet, here they are excluding other socially undesirable groups. I can't even wrap my head around it.

I'm not anti-Semitic, but Israel pulls a lot of shit and gets away with it. Like this. Why do other governments such as the US or European countries - not call them out on it? Is everyone still too sensitive? This is so wrong!

dude me too! and sometimes i still use it

if you're catholic, you're not born again.

I can sing it, and well. But they don't want me at the Inauguration seeing as how I'm not famous or professional.

not from most 20 somethings i know...maybe some 18 year olds