In Europe, the cashier will NEVER bag your groceries. That’s your job. Help available for the infirm etc. So much sense.

While I wouldn’t want to and cannot argue with any of the above, I think it would be a useful exercise to edit the entire post to change the focus from POC to “poor people”, and then ask “how true is it, now?”.

Probably worth reading:

How they don’t identify with our love affair with Frankie Beverly and Maze

well, except that both Warren and Harris and to a large extent Sanders DO have policy platforms already. And also ... these candidates are not transferring out of a job in the meat packing or car sales or law school. They are all currently politicians who presumably have some pretty strongly held (but hopefully…

It’s only a lie if you do what you love FOR a martinet boss. Figure out a way to do it without the martinet boss, and the pathway to hating what you love is much longer, and might never be travelled at all.

If the police came to your house after a break-in, and nothing had been taken but your house had been messed up, it wouldn’t be burglary, just “breaking and entering”, which carries a lesser sentence. It wouldn’t matter one bit that the victims were upset and said “well it feels like a burglary to us!”

I don’t know how to make this more clear ... I entirely agree with the idea that misogyny denies women their humanity. But this agreement, by me or anyone else, is not interesting or useful in the context of people who don’t agree with it.

My mention of Thatcher wasn’t done as an attempt to refute

“insisting she gets it wrong”

OK, so this seems more or less unimpeachable.

What I was trying to get at was there’s a perspective on the world (which I do not share) in which people do not all get equal rights and that this doesn’t mean that people’s humanity is denied, but that some sort of “natural order” is followed. I think that many misogynists, racists, sexists and other oppressive…

Actually, that distinction is precisely what I was trying to get at. I just didn’t do a very good job of it.

I agree with almost everything you’ve written here.

oh FFS. i wrote about the position of other people, not myself. i’m sorry if you were unable to get that from what i wrote. Imagine that this exchange took place somewhere:

Why are you so busy looking for an escape clause of whatabout (ism) that you refer to a dead woman?

and when some idiot misogynist with a bullhorn or a TV show says “now these feminists, they say that the way I treat my wife denies her humanity. Why just this morning I watched a woman say that very thing! They say the way I treat my wife is misogyny. They say that I’m a sexist. They even say that me having sex with…

Note that I said that there’s at least a century or two or three of moral philosophy that argues strongly that all humans are entitled to equal dignity and self-determination.

I understand that perspective. But I think there’s also a perspective from which, if you get important details wrong then you also undermine the overall effort. I’m trying to insist that this perspective is right, or even that I’m right about the specific details I mentioned. I suppose it depends a bit on whether you…

I’m so torn between the obvious sense and sensibility of this, and the shoddy logic that affects parts of it. By even mentioning them, I become at best a concern troll, or perhaps something much worse. If you support a good position with poor logic, how much of it can be wrong before it becomes a bad argument? I…