I agree wholeheartedly. I wasn’t trying to say that he was right or that I agree with what he was saying, I was just trying to analyze the breakdown in communication that seemed to be happening.
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Even saying that the suffering of non-black women isn’t as bad as the suffering of black men doesn’t work though. White women and black men both share a mix of privilege and oppression, so while whiteness saves white women from oppression that’s more specific to someone’s being black, a black man’s being male saves…
Well that’s really the root of the problem... it’s not that Dave is being too “offensive” with that joke, but rather sounding like he doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about, because the premise that a cis man could avoid violence by donning femininity is utterly laughable.
Good points all around and a agree with your issues with Chapelle. I love Jezebel but the Oppression Olympics point you made also applies to a lot of the stuff I see around here as well, from writers and commenters alike. I guess it all depends on the story. There are so many oppressed groups and we want to be…
But then he just says black women suffer because they’re black, not because they’re women, and intersectionality isn’t a fucking thing.
“The problem isn’t that progressives take offense at jokes, the problem is that they point out that under the offense, these guys just aren’t that funny.”
Ugh, thank you. I always have to explain to men what the history of women in the civil rights movement ACTUALLY looked like.
Those situations are not equivalent or even similar.
That’s bullshit. I don’t have to have ever met a black person in my life to know that they deserve rights equal to any other person, and you shouldn’t have to meet or love a woman to know women are worthy of respect and rights. It is an extremely common thing for people (not just men to say), “What if it was your…
Of course that’s the only way for a male to have any idea what it’s like to be a woman. That wasn’t my point. My point was it is infuriating as a woman to hear men say things like, “Every woman is someone’s daughter/sister/wife/girlfriend/whatever. We should support women and fight for their rights because you…
We don’t owe Dave Chappelle a Netflix special, either. If all he’s got is the same “Aw, man, I just dunno, I mean, he raped a bunch of people but he was such a great guy” bullshit you get from the guy sitting next to you at a bar, maybe he should say it at a bar instead of being paid large sums of money to deliver it…
See, I’d say it’s the other way around. Comedy isn’t for conservatives, because far too often their idea of “funny” is to simply point to a member of a fringe social group and say, “Hey! Isn’t it so crazy that people live like that?!?!?!?!?!!!1!” They think that a guy dressed up like a woman is so inherently hilarious…
Im a progressive, I think all of this is good comedy, but I happen to have a different perspective on it. People have different red lines. “but Cosby did some good stuff.” Chuck Berry created rock and roll and also enjoyed child porn, sex trafficking underage girls and planting cameras in women’s restrooms. I don’t…
God I fucking cringe every time I hear someone say that.
Sigh. What a horrible take.
Dear self-proclaimed male feminists: STOP fucking saying that you know women deserve rights and you know this because of how much you love your wife\mother\daughter\girlfriend\sister\whatever.
Offensive isn’t the end of the conversation, it’s the beginning of analysis. In your mind, “offense” means the conversation is over. If you can’t handle it, don’t talk about it. Maybe you’re scared something bad will happen if you analyize someone’s words?
TW transmisogyny
“To what degree to I have to participate in your self-image? Is it fair that I have to change my whole pronoun game up for this motherfucker? That doesn’t make sense.”