Your assumptions: "everyone will connect their PS4 anyway!" "PS Plus is a ripoff just like Live!" (hint: it's not, and is $10 cheaper) "Used games depends on the developer!"

Your first post really says otherwise. You were making claims about the PSEye and I was questioning you about your base for those claims. Is that okay with you?

Haha no. Where did you get that info from? If you can't give me a source, I call bullshit and you're pulling shit out of your ass.

You're making assumptions and basically shoving those assumptions down everyone's throats. You're being completely irrational and frankly you look like a massive fanboy. PS Plus being required for online is a huge bummer, but you can't use it as a knock against PS4 for Xbox One when XBLG has been required for years…

The Witcher 3 is also coming to PS4, it's multiplat. Mirrors Edge 2 is multiplat.

There have also been sightings of 'PSEye sold separately', which points to multiple SKU's. I'm not alone in this either. What exactly are you trying to prove by arguing with so many people here?

No, not everyone will hook up their PS4 to the internet. Don't make baseless assumptions. Your online 'argument' is moot. It looks like you're trying to justify your own support of the Xbox One to yourself more than anyone else. The 'better games' argument is also very subjective.

Sony never said the camera would be bundled with the PS4. Where did you get that they're deceiving people?

Yep! People harping on about 3rd party exclusives are idiots. While it boosts one system over the other, at this point in time the systematic differences between the PS4 and Xbox One are so gaping it doesn't matter. The Sony fanboys complaining about this are just being babies and the MS fanboys rubbing it in…

This is how I see the situation: SE were originally planning to have KH3 be PS4 exclusive, but MS approached them and offered a nice sum of money for multiplat - not one to refuse money, SE accepted. Considering how similar PS4/Xbox One are in specs, porting takes minimal effort and hence minimal capital. It's a…

Ohhhh snap!

The XB1 will cost you more than the PS4, so I don't see how you'd go into 'financial ruin' by buying a PS4.

If you read all my posts to you in succession, you'll see that I 'got' your post after I'd gone off on my angry rant. By then it was too late :)

God dammit. I re-read your post and NOW I see it. Nicely done and well played, you got me.

He probably got me too. I saw this and went red: "If you see games you like you'll buy it anyway because you have no principles! Sheep!" BOOOOOOOO

Some people's opinion will change when they see games they like, those are the people not affected by the anti-consumer policies and who could care less about those things. They are most certainly not the people you're trying to convince here.

Yeah no, temptation will most certainly not play a role, it doesn't matter if MS came out with THE BEST GAMES EVER MADE, this 'console' is so anti-consumer no one will want to get near it. Even Forbes and Time have picked up on MS's shit, there is a storm coming.

"Gamers are stupid, show them some pretty games and you can rape them in the ass as much as you like!"

Why are you implying that games will make the raping of our consumer rights better? What kind of moronic statement is that? Who in their right mind would try to make that link? Let me guess, you think these are actually "not so bad, in fact after E3 the world will love the Xbox One and Microsoft's forward-thinking…

I was surprised to see mainstream media outlets pick up the story, I admit I don't have much faith in general media to represent gaming issues. Perhaps there is hope.