Take a deep breath and re-read. I didn't claim to know anything about her. I said I think, and I get the sense that.... Nothing hateful about it. Try not to take a running leap to your own conclusions next time.

I don't think it's over, but I do get the sense they're going through a rough patch. I think she feels alone in their marriage. Freudian slip.

It's true. I'm with you!

Gotcha. I appreciate your thoughtful original statement then, that it wasn't just some blanket "go fix the world, women" attitude. However, while I see what you and your mother are saying, I respectfully disagree. In oppressive systems, everyone is wounded, including the oppressor. Victories for the oppressed are…

Can you explain how patriarchal systems benefitted everyone in the past?

It's your issue too. Not only does the cause feminists are fighting for directly affect your life as men but...

Yeah, I'm familiar. Don't see how that changes anything... You can be, and many people are, both oppressed and privileged. We don't live in an oppression/privilege hierarchy. Race, class, sexual orientation, etc. matter and shape the way we experience our gender identities. But that doesn't change men being the…

You are forgetting who controls and benefits from (albeit superficially) the system responsible for both.

Mm hm, I agree. It is a problem. I think those of us who censor ourselves are afraid of how men will respond to our anger.

I think that when people talk about feminists "hating" men, what they're really pointing to is women's anger towards at men. Considering how men - both individually and as a group - inhumanely treat and oppress women, why wouldn't women be angry at them? Why wouldn't women be enraged? It's healthy, but it's scary…

Well, you're right, and we live in a kyriarchy, and that's why. And many white feminists don't care about those problems. But I have to say, for me, feminism gives me a framework in which to view that problem and address it. Yes, a white woman is making more than a black man, and a black man is making more than a…

Yeah, we "attack" men (I'll get to that in a minute) because men (both as a group and individually) oppress women (both as a group and individually). And many of us don't buy into the constant and ubiquitous messages that we're inherently inferior and were created for the sexual pleasure of men, so we stand up and…

Ugh, I've seen that shirt before! I don't hate that dude, but I am f'in pissed at him (and at the system that led him to that choice).

well said!

Thank you thank you thank you, Lindy. A million times.

Omg I turned it off before it got to that...great. Nice work, B.

They're both raging narcissists in my opinion.

I have been saying the same thing goes for Timberlake. His song "mirrors" and the whole new album is one of the most blatantly narcissistic things I've ever heard. I agree that we should be keeping gender, race, sexual orientation, etc in mind, but there is no doubt this woman is another self worshiping pop star.

Yup! Same here

mm hm, me too