Some people online are just very aggressive and demanding feminists (both men and women) that they come off as narrow minded and forceful as Nazis, but just that you know it wasn't aimed at you but rather a general remark.

Amazing redesigns, that's one badass stormtrooper, hope he doesn't miss like the others XD

we do agree about some of the things you said, yes Vaan here is clealry sexualized while Jecht isn't, that said the Hawk initiative stopped being about silly poses a long time ago and now it's only about taking female characters outfits and putting males in them as if that proves anything... It doesn't.. Not when…

It wouldn't even support your argument that topless males are equivalent to topless females. They're not. Men and women have different ideas of what they find attractive in their counterpart and there's no reason this should be symmetrical.

Lols, not really.. A lot of people agree on what I said, mind you that's not proof of the validity of my argument or anything, but you are dead wrong if you really think I'm alone in this... And look at you saying the "issue"... Why so serious!!? XD

Sigh, you got backwards again, when exactly did I say that I'm aganist diversity, what the heck gave you that impression !!?

Lols, hit a nerve there haven't I, I know just fine what makes a man sexy because I follow a lot of female artists online and have seen countless times what type of male characteristics real women/girls like in the male characters they fawn over.. And it definitely has nothing to do with the stupid comic above or the…

That's just the stereotypical exsmple, even then... There is always the alternative of jail time and public service.

Are you replying to me? My problem here isn't poses, it's clothes.... A topless male gets a free pass but a female showing a bit of cleavage and all hell breaks loose.. Now we have a stupid initiative trying to defame artists and attack them whenever they dare draw a sexy female when in fact if you reverse the roles…

Sigh, you still don't get it... Lols.. Yeah.. Revealing clothes and nudity are two different things, Whatever man... Keep supporting that retarded endeavour all you want.. But you know what... It's never going to change anything... Ever XD

Why not both, fine them... And if they didn't pay jail them and sell their property in an auction or something.

lols, I'm not hung up about anything, I'm fine with any type of nudity male or female.. With or without context.. It doesn't matter at all to me, I never said that a topless male = sexualization for the female gaze....I said if you take any male with a revealing outfits whether he is sexualization or not and apply…

Except what you describe here —-> "I haven't seen a single gratuitous close-up ass shot as a character slowly raised themselves out of the pool in a presenting manner, nor have I seen highly detailed close ups of a character flexing their muscles, lounging around half naked in a submissive/casual manner, or …

Except the opposite of the Hawk initiative is even far more ridiculous (female Dante from DMC 3, female Prince of Persia from the first game, female Vaan, evil female Jacht, .. etc etc, all of them will be completely topless as female characters) and will make those who perpetuating the Hawk eye initiative actually…

lols ... Those don't count .. they aren't part of the initiative nor officially endorsed by it, it has to be the same exact pose and outfit .. otherwise it won't count XD

Just take Vaan and replace him with a female character walking around in the same outfit .. without any differences what so ever .. sit back .. then watch the shit storm that will happen, that's the hypocrisy i'm talking about.

No one really talks about all the things you mentioned, they just see a sexy female…

No not really .. but where is my Vaan initiative? why hasn't it started yet ... i don't see any artists drawing topless female Vaans, there should be a female version of every topless male character in a video-game to showcase the ridiculous extents of exploitative male nudity in video games, i mean look at him ..…

It was never about how endemic the female examples are, whenever any example .. and i mean ANY single example comes out all the prudes and feminazi scream foul and pull off the lame "Hawk initiative" as if it proves anything .. they aren't complaining about the frequency of cases .. they do it case by case .. so like…

It doesn't prove anything no matter what you say .. because it's not about offsetting .. it's not a fucking competition .. it's about principles .. i don't mind either male or female nudity or sexually appealing characters in general, even if it's something as silly as Cho-Aniki .. which will probably make you regret…

lols, i still demand the Vaan Initiative, any brave artists ready to pull that one off.