It's dumb reasoning, but if that's their only reasoning, it's fine by me. If there's no people who voted no because they were scared shitless of being fired, then I think we're all good here.

Reading, can you do it? They were threatened that VW would fire them if unionization would occur. Despite VW pointing out that such statements were bullshit and a new CUV heading to production at the plant, politicians kept going with the stupid-ass threats that they had super secret info that VW was totally going to…

Nice manifesto there. One thing: I am not a college kid, and I do have a normal job. I'm not in a union, either. Also, pretty much everything you typed there is bullshit. It's as if it's an alternate reality. When the executives continuously pay themselves lavish bonuses and basically rob the company, they lose all…

As I've pointed out before, I don't give a shit if they unionize or not, I just don't want asshole politicians swaying the vote by yelling at them that they will be fired if they unionize even though VW was planning on adding production. That's not a clean election.

The anti-union lobbying came from people who had no reason to lobby against it and lobbied with outright false statements telling workers they would lose their jobs. That's not really a fair election. This shit is between the union and employer, and the employer was fine with it, so let the workers decide if it's…

I'm not a union worker. I just think that when the employer is fine with unionization, workers should make the decision based on the merits and not threats of them losing their jobs from politicians. My issue in this case was the electioneering done by a party (politicians) that had no business lobbying for either…

The boss of an international union making $150,000 isn't the same as a CEO making $15,000,000 with perks while his employees can't afford to go to the doctor. That's not the case with VW, but my issue here is the interference with the election by politicians, not losing or winning. I want workers to decide on their…

My issue isn't whether the union is a plus or minus, it's the fact that local politicians butted in and tried fervently to sway the election.

Well, see there's a differene there. For one, VW was in fact fine with unionization. The politicians against it were on the right of the political spectrum. That party also does use the term "big government" quite often in their campaigns. So what's the issue? A Tennessee chapter of the UAW probably isn't the same as…

Ironically unions are actually kind of a necessity right now since that's the last thing keeping us from being China with everyone working at slave wages. There's a reason the rates for union membership and middle class income have steadily declined together. Workers who have no rights are workers who will accept any…

No, I think they're human. When you're human and your local politicians all tell you every day that they have secret knowledge that you will be fired if you vote a certain way, that might have an effect.

The second you said "UAW thugs" your post lost all legitimacy. Way to sound like a reasonable person. When employers (or in this case politicians) intimidate workers and threaten them with job loss, that's not "thug" at all. How does the UAW "mess" with the election anyway? They are a union and support unionization.…

That's the problem, we don't know. It might have, it might not have. I don't give a shit if they unionize or not, I care that the 24/7 "YOU'LL ALL LOSE YOUR JOOOBBBBBSSS" crap might've swayed the election.

VW didn't actively lobby, they actively said they don't give a shit since they already work with unions all over the world anyways. The UAW lobbied for it, and politicians who had no business in this matter lobbied against it by actively making shit up and speaking for VW (at which point VW politely pointed out that…

Good for you, and maybe those workers in Tennessee would've been better off with/without a union. We don't know since they never got to have a fair debate because crooked politicians interfered. Also, it's the internet, so your "I got away from a union and everything is awesome" story may be as legitimate as the "OMG…

They should've won or lost based on the merits of unionization as determined by the workers, not politicians. The election was swayed by 24/7 threats of unemployment from people who had nothing to do with the election. THAT's the problem. It isn't the outcome, it's the illegitimacy of it.

That makes no sense. The false threats were used to sway an election. You're excusing the awful shit these assholes did because they didn't really mean it, they just wanted to make sure unionization was defeated. Well that makes everything OK.

No, it's like a group of workers considering unionizing, their employer being ok with it, and politicians who have nothing to do with it interfering with the election by issuing false threats of job loss on a 24/7 basis.

OK, and then the asshole Tennessee GOP will again tell them that they will all lose their jobs if they unionize. And then what?

No, they didn't reject a "corrupted union." They were scared shitless that they would lose their jobs because asshole politicians told them every day that they would lose their jobs if they voted for a union. This isn't "power of the people," it's power of politicians threatening their own constituents on behalf of…