GM tried to take everything upscale. You can't really do that, it was a dumb move. Saturns used to be cheap commuter cars. They did well in that market. But they ended up being turned into a GM style company. They ran rebadges, got rid of plastic panels and didn't have anything cheap and high MPG enough to compete in…

The LL0 was a design based on the Quad-4. The Quad-4 while powerful for its day was not considered reliable enough to go head-to-head against import engines. I would imagine when compared to the LL0s loss foam casting, the Quad-4 was also more expensive to produce.

Remember as well that Saturn already had a 20 HP and…

Originally Saturn was just a sedan design. It was one car. The S in S-series stands for Saturn. L was for Level. The number for the powertrain package; 1 for SOHC, 2 for DOHC and 3 for V6 (which was cancelled before launch). They added the Wagon cars, SW1 and SW2, and the Coupe, SC. The later originally only available…

Nah, they weren't crap.

They handled as well or any other Mcstrut econo box at that time. They have a space frame structure and again for the time it was the stiffest thing in the segment. The ride and ultimate cornering ability lost a bit to double wishbone cars, but that is what happens with a Macpherson setup.

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The L in SL stands for "Level". Not really sure why they stayed with L after they add Coupe and Wagon. As some said, perhaps for avoid the "SS" name that GM would prefer not to be used.

Ah Ok, still not sure I'd place them in a line up of real car makers.

Ok so I saw the unvailing versoin of this video at some conference. It had parts of this video and shots from the conference hall. I now have seen this full version. Now I have a question.

Why the hell are Nike and Air Jordan logos in the trailer???!!!???

Anyone have an answer for that?

These guys have been the leader for years and continue to innovate.

I used to play with the Microsoft optical mice. I had a Silver Explorer and I liked it a lot. But I wanted more. I went to the store and bought one of the first Logitech high end mice sporting 2000DPI. It was crap.

Then I tried a Boomslang and fell in…

It tend to look at both games like this:

GT5 is better. In the numbers it is a better game. But in some places the numbers don't mater. The sounds a muddy. The DLC system was so bad I just stopped using it. Sometimes all of the numbers come together though and makes GT5 amazing. I have 125% of the fun I have in Forza…

All arguments claiming the Neon was a bad car are now invalid.

No denying that they look pretty similar. I can only question why someone would buy the CLK. At no point do my eyes feel good when I look at that car. The Forester isn't a beauty contest winner either, but at least there is a reason. The Subaru is cheap and designed to be functional.

I thought exactly the same when I saw my first C6. I think the body color in the headlights really finished to look that the overall front end design already seemed to copy.

If I were drunk and blind I'd think they look exactly the same.

* I can only assume this was a troll post. If not how are they stylistically similar? Other than 4 doors and 4 wheels and of four-door proportions.

No problem. Some people don't know much about Seat. But if it was late enough here, I'd forget too.

You'd be wrong though. There are pots of discussion on why they were so much alike, but when launched VW and Chysler weren't too close. They were both just economy machines that had the same goals.

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Seat and Audi are owned by VW Group.

They look alike because they were both pinned by the same guy in the same "Folded Paper" style.

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