I tend to close doors if there’s anyone around, and always close them when I’m leaving a house, but I don’t bother if I’m alone.

EXACTLY. If you’re not a front-runner sometimes it’s smart to lay back.

I hear you, but what else are they supposed to to? They have system logs of actions performed - are they supposed to just pretend that they do not exist and let it be a one-sided conversation/accusation?

I doubt they’d go quite that far - especially since if they really wanted to do that(which I’m not sure they would, despite my misgivings about how they use acquired data) it would be much, much cheaper to just add that functionality to their app.

Expected, hell, they’ve done it before. As I’ve mentioned up and down the thread, there’s more than one case where they’ve done precisely that.

it’s just a handy debug trail of what the system has been doing

Yes, obviously. Because they want the data, which means that no matter how unimportant you are, you’re important enough for them to care. If they didn’t care, they wouldn’t spend the extra money to have the system in place for gathering the data, analyzing it, and so on.

Well, if that’s the way you’re looking at it, I honestly doubt we’re going to agree regardless of if you get the point or not.

I wasn’t being intentionally obtuse, I genuinely didn’t understand why you would differentiate between someone interacting with a car and giving it commands, vs someone interacting with a car and giving it commands while driving

I’m 100% agree...if not for the fact that they’re also perfectly happy to use said data to claim publically that you’re a liar. If they’re going to use it in such a public fashion, they should show it - with ireelevant personal information edited out where possible for privacy’s sake, of course.

They dont want to be wrong so they check the logs, see the action happened via keyfob according to log and thats the end of story.

I wouldn’t be abashed to all cars having that, could you imagine the decrease in liability costs?

I say yes. They should not be able to use it in that fashion.

I see where you’re coming from, man. And I don’t blame the guys down in the depths of Tesla Automotive, who just want to make the thing they work on better - it’s hugely useful for them, and I don’t doubt they don’t want to dick people over, they just want to make a great product.

I suspect that it’s not “monitoring” per se, or at least not the way that seems to be implied in your post

Not sure what you mean by monitoring when the car is not in use?

I’ll admit, I used to be a little less concerned, considering they’re reasonably open about the cars having a black box.

But yeah, now it turns out they’re monitoring even when the car’s not in use, and in detail down to what you’re doing with your key fob? Yeah, no thanks mate.

Yeah, that acceleration is a hell of a thing. I mean, I shit on it as a bullet-point in the sales pitch, but hot damn, it’s something when you’re actually driving the thing. No matter how stupid it is to hold it up like it’s some world-beating virtue, it’s still fun as hell to do it a few times.

Yeah! I think that’s some fucking bullshit too, at least, depending on the price. Paying them for another map isn’t totally  awful in an of itself, if the price isn’t absurd, it’s the price they charge that makes it such absolute bullshit. And you can still get them re-mapped at other shops, or do it yourself, if you…

Teslas just aren’t that great, really.