BtheD19
BtheD19, Formula J treble World Champion
BtheD19

Same gas mileage as a Prius.

Yup. It's money that's teh problem here, nothing else. $40k is simply FAR too much for what it is in practical terms - a compact sedan.

"...as well as the relatively paltry starting price — under $20K."

Indeed, I much prefer the blue/white scheme myself. American racing colors, after all.

Yes, used cars are all over the map. This is my point: a 1973 El Camino on a tube steel chassis with a funny car cage and 502 motor that, if I'm conservative, puts out at least 600hp (to necessitate that cage/chassis, it's probably closer to 1,000). [columbusga.craigslist.org] That'd be $20/HP just on my

Pretty true, I'll give you that... just depends on your definition of cheap.

Street/strip cars would win. 5-600hp cars a common in older bodies. They wouldn't be good or reliable DD cars, but if you want pure $/HP, you'd never beat them.

... then unless he broke some other law, why would he be detained in the first place? Look, what annoys me are the dooms day people who say "they can just arrest anyone for any reason!" No, they can't. And this law has been in place for over 6 months now and I've still not heard of a single arrest being challenged

There's no way your first figure is a new car price. That's what we're working off of here; used cars could be all over the map; anyone driving a street/strip muscle car would easily knock it down to $10/hp or less.

Then he's already committed an offense by driving without his license. They don't have the right to hold him for 24hrs unless they have reasonable suspicion that he's an illegal alien. But given the fact that he's a licensed driver, providing a name and DOB should be an easy records search for the officer on scene -

Mobile shooting house? I guarantee that is many a redneck's wet dream right there.

Yes! 2012 GT + Brembo pkg MSRP is around $32k, but you should be able to get it out the door for a few thousand less than that. 412hp, 390lbs/tq... can't beat that.

I was expecting this. I am disappoint.

After the suspicion is raised, all you have to do is produce an I.D. That's it. Most decent people have their I.D.'s on them pretty much at all times anyway. You need it to drive. You need it to enter most Federal buildings. You need it at the bank. Technically you need it even to use a debit or credit card.

I've never had this thought. I'm ashamed. My Mustang GT rings in at just about $70 per HP. That's pretty astonishing.

And the winner for most Italian manual goes to...

There have been better drivers, certainly, but Panizzi was always my favorite because of his personality. His interviews were hilarious. I remember one time something had broken on the car which didn't force them to stop, but they had to driver much slower. At the end of stage interview, Panizzi was asked how the

Hypothetical indeed. DUI checkpoints are legal because you need a driver's license (and now, in many states, insurance) to drive. Therefore, they would meet the threshold to check the *driver*. However, absent any suspicious behavior from the passengers, they would have absolutely no legal reason to check the

You know, you're right. The cops have absolutely nothing better to do than follow every car around on the road, just waiting for an illegal lane change so that they can pull them over, and... oh wait, you already have to have a driver's license in order to drive a car anywhere in the United States. And producing a

... that doesn't even make sense. Please, explain to me how reasonable suspicion is based upon immigration status if the officer is trying to ascertain reasonable suspicion to check the person's immigration status.