Well, fair enough: she received some credit. But every reliable source available says that until way after her death, they never acknowledged the importance that her image 51 played in devising the model.

Yes....? What's your point, Vanessa?

Of course what she presented in the lecture would help W&C's modeling efforts—that's how science works—you build on theories, use data to bolster or eliminate possible models/explanations for phenomena. Her presentation probably also helped Pauling, who was simultaneously working on a model. And probably some other…

Except... they didn't. It was image #51—taken in 1952 that led them to their model. They have both admitted as much.

I know. I couldn't tell whether he was serious at first. Silly me.

The photos used by W&C and by Franklin to figure out the structure of DNA were taken in 1952. So, they weren't in whatever presentation she gave in 1951.

I agree. I think it's getting better, as more women are speaking out about their experiences. I think most of the men who do that aren't trying to be jerks, they just aren't respecting that women also have a sincere interest in muscle fitness. As they hear that women are feeling belittled by those sorts of…

Right, but that was before her research was secreted to them. She knew they were researching the same thing she was—she didn't know that they had her data and were using it to construct their own model. That's what's relevant, here. She thought she was publishing her work to stand on its own. Only after she'd…

Right—what I meant was that she thought she was in charge of the project, and he thought he was.

I agree— I think most of the "discouragement" of women away from weight lifting and that men get away from yoga is from themselves, born out of anxiety of not fitting in with or being judged by the other people participating. My point was just that it may be slightly more complicated than it was being argued— which…

Her article was published as support with W & C's because theirs was accepted for publication first. She had no choice but to publish her work as corroboration for their model. They didn't collaborate with her—it wasn't some, "yeah, as a team, we're gonna publish all this data!" thing. She had no idea that they had…

You're right that it was Wilkins who showed them the data—but he wasn't her boss. At least not according to what I read. There was a lot of conflict between them because he thought he was her boss, and she thought she was his boss.

And because you've never seen it, it doesn't happen, right?

It doesn't make you the winner; it makes you the discoverer. And, yes. I'm one of those who cares about the actual facts, not just the lies that are handed down by a corrupt power structure to convince people that they deserve to be in power.

Haha. Yes. Like maybe a Viking named Eric? Or maybe that it never needed to be discovered to begin with, because it was inhabited by millions of people making up hundreds (or thousands) of highly developed civilizations?

Are you fucking kidding me? She wrote a paper that was published DAYS after Watson and Crick's that was basically identical to theirs. She knew what it was. She was using x-ray crystallography to investigate DNA structure. That was the whole point of her project. She was sabotaged by a misogynist grad student…

The thing about women in body building is that they are actively discouraged by people (men) who body build. Women in the body building area of the gym are often asked if they wouldn't be more comfortable using the machines (rather than the barbells/freeweights), or if they wouldn't be more comfortable with these 3…

She actually discovered the structure before Watson and Crick—they stole her data and published their paper (which was based on her stolen data) just days before she published her own paper. So they got credit. And she didn't. Then she died from cancer from x-ray exposure. And they got a Nobel Prize.

I don't know the contest you're referring to—but I can tell you that the general venom towards popstars (or books, movies, celebrities) whose fans are young girls is most certainly about sexism. 4chan isn't alone in this venom—it's just really obvious because it's actively working on mocking girls for their tastes. …

Right, but that reasoning still assumes that anything young girls like is, by definition, inferior and cannot be enjoyed by anyone A) male or B) over 13. It's a sexist assumption designed to make girls aware of how little the world thinks of them, and designed to shame any male who doesn't go out of his way to fall…