It very much depends on the client. I would add that their ad platform kind of sucks too. We use it once in a while for event type advertising for smaller clients, but anything for a bigger brand or real product advertising, we stay away.

I guess, just have seen a lot of comments specifically about Ocean’s that have serious issues with no help. Remember, these cars weren’t really ready to start with. So now, any issues could become terminal.

I would never buy one, so my opinion quite literally does not matter. But... that is a vehicle and that is about where my positive thoughts end. The rest of my thoughts about everything else about this X3 are not positive.

I think the most common way is to file Ch. 11 and then move to Ch. 7 when it doesn’t work. I think “technically” filing Ch. 7 right out of the gate can lead to investor lawsuits since it can be looked at as not having the shareholders best interests at heart, even if a Ch. 11 reorg probably won’t work. 

They are putting ALOT and I mean ALOT of value on their IP with assets valued at $500mm to $1bn.

Fisker kneecapped its own economic feasibility when it severely discounted its vehicles. The Ocean was a $50-$70k vehicle. Let’s use funny math and say that selling those had a 20% gross profit, ie. selling a $50k Ocean actually cost them $40k to build it.

Yea, but with a Fisker, you never know when you go to drive it if it will actually work. There seem to be a lot of, “help! My Ocean is a brick” comments/stories on the internet. 

You mean into Elon’s house? 

While I love the idea that you presented, the only loser in that situation is the person that gets hit by the car that is using FSD. The driver most likely won’t have enough money to right the wrong and have to declare BK. Now, if Tesla was on the hook, that would be a better outcome. 

I believe it, some states are better than others at the enforcement side of things.

Ahh, that has to be Virginia, right? When I get into VA, the cruise control goes on below 80 and within 12 MPH of the speed limit for my entire drive in that damn state.

It wouldn’t be a real money making venture, more of a passion project if I could afford it in retirement. 

Sounds like the Korean guy that I worked for that owned a few deli’s. Lots of cash and not a lor of taxes. 

This is a great example of why now I just let people that seem like assholes go on their way without comment from me. I have no want to be on the wrong end of a legitimate terrible and possibly mentally unstable person. I used to get angry and outwardly so, now, just let it go. Whether it is someone driving like an…

Because I am intimately familiar with a large import OEM and their product, and I know that they make changes constantly too. They do bigger refreshes but a ‘23, ‘24 and ‘25 model won’t all be exactly the same even if there was no “refresh” in there. Sure they may do it more on a model year scheme where a ‘23 and ‘24…

Pretty sure he had a recyclers license for cats. He buys them at a discounted rate from whoever and then takes them to a recycler and since he has a license, he is good to turn in as many as he wants and gets paid market rate.

I get that, but $33k is a lot for this car. That is more than a lot of cars that I would buy before a Mini. There is a reason they only sold 33.5k cars in the US last year, they are overpriced for what they are. 

Yep, it is a bit nuts. When the dude was telling me all this I was just flabbergasted.

Yep, it is a crazy ass world. I have always wanted to open like a legit BHPH without all the BS when I am retired. Something where I could not have to worry about ripping people off and maybe doing some good in the world. AKA getting people decent cars at decent prices without killing them on payments. But, not sure…

It sounds like maybe it was the same person just trying to get you to discount or something, but who knows. I have only sold two cars via private sale and both were pretty easy transactions. It was more on the story/info I got that was just weird. When I sold my Miata it was like a 6 hour deal. Someone said they…