Still doesn’t solve the issue of how long someone else will be at the charger until it is your turn. It may not be an issue, but from reading some comments, it seems like it could be an issue.

Ahh yes, because Tesla service is known for how fast it is, so let’s get rid of some technicians. Sales folks, ehh...who needs em? 

Yea, it would make sense to have some of that, I assume then it also has you only charge enough to get you home or to your destination to some extent and not hold up everyone.

Well that is good to know. I guess my thought is that as new car EV sales increase, the used ones are still there too and as used ones exist, they will move to more people that don’t have any or good home charging ability, so that will be important. Units in operation will increase essentially exponentially, even if…

There is no way you can predict or know how long it will take. I understand that in a closed eco-system like Tesla has/had, they could do that. But once non-Tesla’s start using superchargers, that known part goes out the window to some extent. 

I think those two states can/could speak well to what it could be. So maybe public charging will keep pace and not be an issue. The other problem is that most folks that own an EV now have the ability to charge at home. That won’t always be the case, especially once we get to only EV’s being sold. But as you stated,…

Well aware of that, but the thing is, not everyone can or will be able to charge at home. 

You can calculate your own time to charge, sure. But now what about the other cars around you and ahead of you? If you can do that math, I will be amazed. 

Now add in the ability for a ton of non-tesla’s (like in this article) to use their super chargers and how does that all work?

I was kind of thinking that they both take up about the same amount of space, so all they need to do is swap in Junior anywhere Milano was set to be and they will be good. But also, this little line, “...new compact sports car...” Uhhh, that is not a “sports car”.

Yep, you are correct! 

EV sales were around 8% in Q4 of ‘23 and almost 10% in you include PHEV’s. I am not fear mongering, just stating facts. I have no fear to monger here, I don’t own an EV. May be buying one for my wife since she doesn’t drive much and we can charge from a regular 120v plug without issue at home. Lease deals on some of…

It is relevant in that even at a 10% new car EV sales rate that is adding 1-2mm EV’s a year to the roads here in the US. So that is ramping up very quickly and can easily start to create public charging issues. Then adding non-tesla cars at Tesla chargers adds more complexity and issues.

I was talking about if you pull up to a charger and there are 4 people in front of you. You don’t know how long each of them will be there, where as for a gas car 5-10 min per car is easy to assume. When, once you start throwing non-tesla’s into the Tesla charger mix, you have even more variables.

Now how do you do that for the 4 people in front of you waiting to charge too? That is what I am talking about, not for your own use. But with gas cars you can easily assume that each car will take 5-10 min to refuel, so if there are 4 people in front of you 20-40 min wait time. With 4 EV’s in front of you it could be…

Yep, it was a “how can we reduce costs to pump up numbers?” move. And in this case, I would assume those are mostly going to be white collar workers, unless their sales plan is way worse than anyone knows. So, they are losing the people that they need to make better products and future products. Not a good look when…

It will continue to grow, but at what pace? We don’t really know. There are some folks that think we need or should have 100% ev sales now, which I think we can agree, would not be great.

I meant if you pull up to a charger with others waiting. You have no idea how long the people in front of you are going to take. Could be 10 min or 30 or more or less since different cars charge at different rates and could need more or less charge to get to their destination. Where with most ICE or gas-powered…

Because that is the goal in the next few years. We are essentially at peak new car sales in the US, but we want to shift that to a higher proportion of EV sales. 

I just meant that once you get to the pump it takes you 5 min to fill up from 0-full. That is taking into account getting out, paying then putting handle back, bucking up and leaving.