I’ll let them know tomorrow. I’m sure they’ll be receptive 

That markup will be gone in a couple months or less (see Tacoma and LandCruiser as point of reference).  I recently had a dealer offer me a LandCruiser under invoice.

If I am going 90mph in a 535 I am far safer than somebody who’s going 60 mph in a Wrangler. It is not even close.

Clearance is an issue with the Passport and addressing it in the aftermarket is not going to be great. It’s a car chassis/unibody with 4 wheel independent suspension. You can maybe get 2" of lift before you wreck the CV angles and with the 2" you are going to trash the ride and have nowhere near the negative travel…

The 4Runner is not a great road car. If you don’t off road it makes no sense. There’s a ton of alternatives, like the Pilot/Highlander etc for on road use that will offer a better on road user experience. I think what is causing heads to be scratched is that the new Pilots off-road package puts the price into 4Runner…

I’m not going as far as “fake” they did put a ton of underbody protection in place. It’s pretty good for a soft roader. It’s still primarily an on road crossover, but for somebody who hauls bikes to trailheads it’s probably pretty good as a stray rock won’t take out your oil pan. My beef is the price to capability…

The Trailsport is 50k. How is that a huge discount? A 4Runner off-road is the same price and far more capable.

It’s still a car chassis without a proper transfer case and it doesn’t have a lot of ground clearance.  They just put a flannel shirt and a mustache on it.

The new The Trailsport is sort of interesting. They didn’t really do anything to update its clearance, breakover, approach or departure angles. They just armored the shit out of the bottom so it won’t leak its guts out when you take it somewhere it probably shouldn’t be.

Fantastic false equivalency. We should all compensate for our shortcomings and drive RAM Big Horns to pick up a tooth brush by ourselves because bear share fish leftovers during salmon runs???

Nice job rationalizing wasting a ton of resources. This sort of thinking is selfish and future generations will be paying the costs of our inane idiocratic decisions.

Or…You could just put 16s with a lot of rubber on your CUV appliance thingy and bash potholes with reckless abandon.  That’s even cheaper than taxes!

The Golf based cars with 2.0s are fine if you can wrench.  The 3.0 Supercharged and TDIs are looking at your bank account and licking their lips. 

I recently saw a 16k bill for a bad seal on an Audi 3.0 TDI which, luckily for the owner, had an extended warranty.

We can’t forget the dealership experience for Hyundai/kia. The complaints are common enough that consumers may want to skip having to go to a one of those dealerships for service.

Suddenly this entire concept seems antiquated. In two weeks the concept of accepting our history as a combination of victories and cautionary tales is dead. Now that the revisionist indoctrinators have the levers of government, we can look forward to the institutional eraser being wielded from the top down.

It won’t be a victory. It will just be degrees of loss. I suspect if you live somewhere with >100% tax on cars, you live somewhere with a functioning transit system where many can get by without a car or families can get by with only one car.

They could make CUVs stateside without too much fuss.

Did an MAGA/Elon Stan just call other people “brainwashed?

I love it when attention seekers get tons of attention.