An RA Salvatore I like called Conquistador proposed an America never settled by Europeans and a man that accidentally discovers is and uses it for his and a few friends personal wealth and vacation home; an essentially pristine, pre-industrial ecology. He can import weapons from Earth 1 to subdue the natives to that…

At risk of being guilty of throwing a curveball, consider that it’s legal distinctions that have helped threaten chimpanzees and other species. The endangered species acts effectively make poaching a more profitable enterprise.

Well I’m sympathetic but this is not a good way to address this particular problem. All the other things you’ve tried to argue and assume about me are unfounded. I am concerned with the impact to law. You can believe that this is a harmless extension of protection but I am sure it will be used as precedent for…

The definition of “person” has a pretty set in stone historical understanding but it’s been made vulnerable to re-definition because special interests are unhappy with the progress they require. That’s the matter I am concerned with that a court appointee or electee is given the authority to change a definition for…

It doesn’t qualify them as persons. There are countless of animals also used for human trials. I don’t deny that chimps are closest but that application of familial is not in my opinion a qualification for what it means to be a person.

I know that’s not how they function; they don’t have the capacity to change how they function which means they are limited to a less than human level of reason implied in what it means to be a person. The human constructs are not avoidable.

Why does familial link stand? Your example of dogs and wolves does not translate. Dogs are wolves at a genetic level. They can interbreed. Humans and Chimpanzees are different species with common characteristics and shared evolutionary descent. You are imposing your own definition of familial here.

The difference is they can be held liable; how do you hold a chimpanzee liable?

Yes I am familiar with this reflexive recourse to courts to accomplish something special interests are impatient to have happen. I empathize with the way species are treated by all sorts, poachers, scientists, zoos, et al. This is not an excuse for bad law.

So, do I need to be a qualified PhD to come to a reasoned conclusion based upon common understanding? Where do you get “unreasonable” from my statements? I said capable of reason, not the human characteristic of being essentially obdurate.

Well the whole high and mighty thing is not defensible. I am discussing practicality without descending into emotion as you are. Stick to using your reason and we can have a discussion.

We share an ancestor. That is far different than evolving from Chimpanzees.

Is this a trick question? They are not capable of reason at a human level. They resemble humans and elicit an emotional connection but they can’t vote, they can’t understand property rights, they can’t operate under a system of law. They can’t work and pay taxes. Is this not implicit?

There has to be a way to protect them within the law without granting person rights. The idea of what entails rights is going to be something totally granted by law rather than being inferred.

Sigh

I love that opening scene too, but I can’t get through this book after a few chapters. I love the idea of jumping ahead of light to confirm a discovery. I have to try again and get through this

Daredevil TPBs - about the start the frank Miller classic run now

I'm hoping Ant-Man pulls it off. I like Paul Rudd a lot and the rest of the cats is great hut the two trailers are not doing much for me.

I think Marvel is not doing a very good job of getting Inhumans out there to replace X-Men or even compete. There's a reason the royal family has only been a background player for the FF, they aren't all that interesting to sustain an ongoing. There are no Wolverines or Storms or Cyclops or Rogues or Kitty Prydes or…

I liked mobile phones but I wanted it to just be a phone. I remember getting a cross eyed look by some 20 year old sales clerk telling him to stop showing me smart phones with cameras.