Was just going to post this. There is no world in which I’d rather drive a 2020 V6 Camaro over a 987 Cayman S. Or even a base Cayman, probably. I have a tuned and modded 350Z and a used Cayman S has always been my aspirational next track toy. Even the highest trim Camaros would still feel like a tank in comparison.

Do you live in NYC or a similar sized city? I think you live in NYC or a similar sized city. Otherwise this take is so terrible I don’t know what to make of it.

... yes? I mean, we’re on one of the most active, constructive, and diverse comment sections I’ve seen on the interwebs. I think we both know “humans” have different thought processes and hold different opinions, so there’s no need for snide rhetorical questions. The point of these discussions is to share your own…

I didn’t try to overthink it to start with, tbh. My thought process boils down to the fact that the economy is and has been global for a while. Any given product, like cars and electronics, has resources and parts sourced from and manufactured in every corner of the world. There is plenty of evidence showing that this…

Here’s where I’m still confused. You say “I do not assume everyone is lying to me all the time and therefore take everything they say as a lie”, but then you said that you wouldn’t have purchased a VW pre-scandal because you “didn’t believe their claims then. And I was right. It was all too good to be true”. But up…

Agreed, this is a pretty bad article. At best, it’s an intentionally narrow comparison that simply looks at hp/tq, while ignoring things like suspension, traction, handling, and very importantly, resale value. You’re paying 50k for a car that will sell for half of that the day after you take delivery. The ZL1 costs…

I’m bored at work and legitimately interested in this so fine to continue if you want. I’m not building strawmen, I’m quoting things you’ve said. But I’ll stop that as well.

Could you please tell me which automotive and electronics manufacturers you patronize, and how they have no ethical issues that concern you?

At this point, I’m honestly just trying to figure out who you can and can’t buy from. You can’t buy from companies with unethical leadership that has proven it, no matter the severity of it (Tesla). You can’t buy from companies that are not proven to be unethical if I presume (even though presumption is wrong and it’s…

Ok, so all companies are presumed to be above board and ethical to be patronized until they are proven not to be above board. Got it.

And there’s a decided difference between Musk’s childish antics and a company intentionally hiding planet-harming levels of pollution like VW did. Their CEO didn’t tweet like Musk, so I assume you would have been fine buying a TDI 10 years ago. And you’d have been supporting someone worse than Musk. Who knows what…

Good to know that you’ve vetted every executive of the supply chain for all parts in the PHEVs you have. Wouldn’t want to support someone financially that has done or said questionable things!

By the by, which vehicles do you own and which executives did you research into before purchasing a vehicle that would…

Those do seem like particularly bad examples, agreed! Everyone has their own level of what they can stand from creators. But like I mentioned below, there’s probably not going to be much you can listen to or buy if you consider all of the people in the food chain for a particular product/service/art form, and all of…

This is true, he is throwing a fit, but I think you miss where other manufacturing in CA is resuming today. The CA governor cleared the way, it’s just this particular county that the Tesla plant is in holding them back. Honda and Toyota are both back in limited capacity in CA starting today according to reports. If I…

If you read the OP and my comments, you’ll find I agree. He said:

“Musk is just too fuckin’ crazy.”

That’s decidedly different than putting employees at risk. Which if he is, that’s valid... but also consider that other automakers are already back to work in CA from what I’ve read, including Tesla component…

The principle is what is important here, not the scale.

I chose my words carefully; being a dick =/= assaulting someone. I don’t think Elon has risen to criminal behavior yet, so the comparison to Chris Brown falls apart.

I also never said I’m opposed to not giving money to someone you morally oppose. I implied that it’s probably impossible in today’s economy, and that…

Isn’t this akin to not listening to a particular band because their lead singer is a misogynistic dick? I mean... Elon is outspokenly idiotic for sure, but there are thousands of people that make up any given manufacturer in any given industry, not just the CEO. I guarantee you that if you dug into the parent company…

Beautiful car that has just the right balance of performance and reliability for a long-term DD. New enough to be safe and modern, old enough to be wrenchable and free of too many screens and electronic crap.

Unfortunately, that price is CP all the way. That will get you a Mazda6 that’s nearly 10 years newer, gets…

Reading comprehension, contextual awareness, and basic reasoning skills.  I guess if you lack those, yes it would seem clickbaity.

... “all that”? Let me break it down since it seems you were overwhelmed.

1) “Updates” = software.
2) Software = teeny tiny part of a car
3) Teeny tiny part of a car =/= entire car

How did you not get that?