Uhhg... every time I see this thing it seems to get uglier and uglier.

CP since I could go buy any number of these things for well under 5k, most 3k all day long.

I secretly liked the Oakland SF split because for a long time it was pretty nice over here. Now its turning into SF more and more, sucking whatever soul it had away. Oh well. This seems to happen every time there's a tech boom, which we're experiencing big time. I never got the LA hate either. I go there 3-4 times a…

It all comes around ya know. Actually my theory is that when there’s a car like this that didn’t sell well when they become old they are that much more unique since there were few when new and even fewer when they age and hence more unusual. So of course people will take more notice.

Its sort of like that here in a ways. Except it changes depending on the perceptions of real estate. I live in Oakland, CA and for a long time people in SF turned their noses up at Oakland and would never venture over across the bridge. Now that SF is wayyyyy too expensive to either rent or buy now many former SF'ers…

yeah, exactly.

Actually I liked the way the Crosstour looked. At least it was different. I’m sure that in 20 years if this site is still around a post will pop up about it and everyone will ohhhh and ahhh over it much like 90% of the weird shit that gets shown from the vehicular past here.

When I was there I got it. Definitely got the sense that Austin was kind of an island in the middle of a sea of conservatism. That said, I am Southern and Texans in general seem nice as hell. I've been all over the state and I swear they're bend over backwards to be nice to you and that's something the rest of the…

Ya, no kidding. This is TMI but oh well, I am 3 beers in so far. I swear the first 3 days home I have the best shits ever. But the 4th day.... uh oh.

Understand. Conservatives don't like Austin cuz its liberal/

Its everywhere. Its here in Oakland, CA, Memphis TN, and my hometown when I visit my folks, Knoxville TN. Not like hipsters have an area code.... they're.... everywhere.

So what. The majority of the state is overly conservative.

Why? I went to Austin and had a hell of a good time.

MMMM! I sure love me some deep fried, bacon wrapped, hot dog pizza.

Native Southerner here who grew up in the sticks. I grew up on a diet of fried everything. Fried chicken, fried Okra, chicken fried steak, fried hush puppies and lots of other stuff like that. Anyway I moved to California 20 years ago. As much as I love and miss that stuff when I do come home and have a few dinners of…

its larger than life in more ways than one.

They are red for a few reasons.

That’s pretty fascinating. So in reality its not exactly a huge vehicle anyway. It just “Looks” big. Sort of like an optical illusion. It was probably done that way for the exact reasons you mentioned: it needed to be maneuverable.

Not sure who the “You people were” but certainly not I. Anyway... you can get a 50+ MPG diesel here. VW makes numerous models that are all small TDIs. Chevy has a Diesel Cruz. Its not like these don’t exist here. The problem is price. The Chevy Cruze diesel costs around $27,000. That’s almost $10,000 more than the…

Well regardless, it all works out in the end. If companies who make V8’s and so on really and truly were getting hurt by these standards then we would be paying a whole lot more for them. We pay a LOT less for the typical muscle car than anyone else in the world. Just look at comments on these and other forums: A lot…