So basically you didn’t understand my statement. If so then I apologize. The breakdown of my statement, put in another way was that the grill on the Veyron looks like a horse collar ( which was a term associated with the Edsel of the time) and thus putting two and two together, I was asserting the ugliness of this…

His point wasn’t mine. Specifically I was saying that the grille looked like shit applied to the Veyron.

How dare you argue with me!!!!!!!!

I can’t say I agree but I’m sure there are cars I like that you would probably not like, which is fine. I respect your reasons for liking it.

People will have different opinions for sure. There’s definitely people who collect Edsels too.

Ok, let’s delve into this a bit shall we? So your “proof” seems to be that the horse collar grill must surely be a good design treatment via the older Bugatti image shown? If I pretend to accept that logic then I assume that you would have no problem taking the grill design from a Ford Model T and putting that on a…

I’d argue the Bugatti concept actually looked better than the production model. No matter what, that big horse collar, Edsel grille is fugly as sin.

No matter whats done to try and refresh this car it is starting to get very long in the tooth. That’s the problem with retro cars. Once they’re designed you can’t really go back. The same with the Mini. There lacks any real excitement since we’ve seen the basic design now for going on 20 years with the “New Beetle”.

Interesting to note that of the cars most traded in for the Volt, the two at the top was the BMW 3 series and Prius. Now I know nothing about BMWs but the 3 series is their lower level entry. Not sure if that also means the interior is also a bit lower on the scale. But on the Volt forum a number of former 3 series…

You should email VW. They would probably be impressed. The new beetle was the car that most infamously gave the brand the notoriety of being problematic. A friend of mine back in the day had one also. It cracked the intake manifold. Twice. It was so awful that it qualified for the lemon law in California and he was…

note I didn't say whether I cared if the owner did do or not...

I suffered for years with severe anxiety issues to the point where I was barely able to function. In fact I didn't realize I had these issues until my wife, after having done so dozens of times- finally got me to go see a specialist where I then took group therapy and then prescribed Celexa and Zoloft ( Zoloft for…

Well.... I don’t recall ever putting the word “Charming” in front of any Kia products. To me this redesign sort of looks like more of the same. That said... it does look very Corolla, except maybe the prior generation’s design.

I was being sarcastic. Truth be known I actually make pretty good coin and could buy any number of these sort of vehicles but I don't ( Because I spend it on other crap) So don't get all mad. In all honesty though I don't get a 250k SUV. If I'm going off roading I want a big piece of shit that I can without guilt beat…

Yeah.... it looks like they took the original design and squashed it down or something. Its all out of whack.

Ha ha! Man that brings back memories. When I was in high school the driver’s ed cars were Chevy Luminas, both with that same interior. I remember they had a nasty plastic smell too.

I have a 2011 Chevy Volt and honestly, it has a very nice interior. In fact it feels pretty upscale which I think was likely intentional given the fact that these were 40k when new ( I bought mine used) but anyway the fit and finish, materials, and lastly- comfort are all very nice. I drove nothing but Toyotas before…

I totally agree. I was just saying this because I own three G65's for off-roading in the back country when not using my Phantom Drophead Coupe. The ride of these off road is amazing and having three means that if I wreck one out there I'll just pull out another. They are also great for getting around the property when…

And yet this is pointless since I doubt anyone who buys this thing is going to take it off roading to start with.

Here's the problem: The new cars they showed now look like the rest of the Toyota lineup. In other words... WHY would people buy these?