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@OneBigPear: Ah, Baldur's Gate, one of my first PC loves.

@OneBigPear: *blushes*

@RandomFrequentFlierDent: You're a woman after my own heart. Immersive stuff is the best, and Fallout 3 is one of the best examples.

@Kicken: double post sorry

@otakufish: Right, I'm the only one "just trying to win" in this.

@Kicken: We're all stating opinions here. If your opinion is supposed to be "fact" while mine is not, I challenge you to find "fact", too.

@Kicken: And aren't yours, too? You guys believe it won't be harmful to kids, you guys believe that my train of thinking would lead to an end of free speech. Those aren't exactly facts, either. I'm just as wrong as the rest of you are, because none of us can prove it.

@otakufish: To me, a troll is also someone who has nothing conducive to add except "Yeah, shut up! Fuck off!"

@Deaf Mute: But just because a person's sense of morals is applied in this situation instead of fact, that doesn't mean the fall of western civilization as we know it. We're not lemmings. I don't see us all systematically banning all free thought, with it having started at not giving these materials wide availability.

@venomritual: Good to know. I guess I'm pretty stupid to have come into Kotaku expecting people to actually think there can be a fair balance between free speech and not contributing to potential child abuse.

@Superbowl54: But see to you, objectivity means that I agree with all of you, that my answer can't possibly be objective...so to you, how could I defend it objectively, hm? It may not be as "black and white as I want it to be" but neither is it as gray as YOU want it to be. It's very simple: let pedophiles want what…

@otakufish: Actually, I didn't advocate a change in the law, I opened this thread expressing disbelief that people seem to think that we're never products of our environment and that having widely available lolicon will have no bearing on how socially acceptable sexual attraction to children is seen.

@Superbowl54: Oh, and you DID have an argument? All you said was "prove it" in an antagonistic fashion. Let's face it, none of us can "prove" what we're talking about because none of us have hard numbers, statistics, or studies. I'm just as "wrong" as the rest of you are.

@nutbastard: So you think if we ban loli porn, somehow it'll explode in our faces? News flash: virtual child porn is already illegal here.

@Superbowl54: You're the one telling me to fuck off, and somehow I'm the troll. And here I'm supposed to be the one with the logic fail.

@otakufish: I'm not advocating a change of law. In the United States, it is illegal to have virtual child porn. That's not a law I made.

@nutbastard: If it didn't harm children in any way shape or form, I'd have no argument against it.

@otakufish: Just because I haven't verbally conceded your point doesn't mean I don't understand why you feel the way you do.

@bookling: As a female gamer who interacts with many other female gamers through my women-in-gaming blog, I can say I find a lot of women are immersive types.