This has nothing to do with performance, it's more the average consumer not liking new interfaces and would prefer to go back to the old way, at least until they can learn the new thing. Most "average" consumers.. ie our parents... don't know hotkeys and stuff...

I'm thinking about it from the average consumer's point of view who do not like change in technology and UI's. Most people on these forums are techies (me included) and don't mind the change and will learn it... but the average consumer is not like that and like what they are used to and don't want change. Forcing a…

Eh I think the average consumer of technology enjoys repetition... they know what to look for- that little blue button with the windows logo in the bottom left corner... and that everything is in there in a menu form. If you want two things running, you hit the minimize button on the top right. That is also the…

Not saying Windows 8 is a bad choice... just saying it may screw over Microsoft in some ways because a decent portion of the customer base is with windows because it's what they know and are comfortable with... that won't be the case anymore

Well, when anyone's current computer dies or needs to be replaced, they'll be forced to either Windows 8 or OS X... Remember, I'm talking about the average consumer here who doesn't know what Linux, Chrome Books, etc are really.

For my iPhone I just shut off iMessage in settings and using regular old texts for now

not from the car dealership you bought it from...

Using both, I would say it is lesser so with some of the newer features added, for example, launchpad, matching a paradigm people already know, along with the Mac App Store. remember, I'm not talking about power users here like most of us are, but the average person.

Understood.. and yeah, change is necessary.. but this may be risky for windows because a large portion of their consumer base are people who are not technologically inclined and "afraid" of technology. They also have a group of people that know windows like the back of their hand and by changing their workflow, it…

No, the people switching are the ones who heard that Apple is better from many, many people but are afraid to switch because they like staying with what they are comfortable with. Now with Windows being different, especially to people who don't know much about tech, there is no reason to stay with it anymore.

Eh I have compared performance of OSX and Windows at work (I have access to both) and for the work I do, OSX is MUCH faster and performs better- like, it's not even close. In my personal life, I still have windows because I am more comfortable with it and I want to come home and relax, not learn a new platform.. but…

Well the battery is the one thing in the laptop that will need replacing eventually, so that is good news. Hopefully the next version of the 15" follows suit.

When the first iPhone came out in 2007, Apple's stock, while high, was not insane- about $90 a share... Apple has always been about looks, and ever since the iPod in 2002, minimalism and clean lines... so I guess it was worth it to them to keep those looks, even if it was a financial risk.

Well really the word SAMSUNG on top is a blemish also.. it could easily only be on the back as well. I don't see the difference. And really, even though the phone is made by Samsung, this version is made to utilize Verizon's network and without a phone network, the phone would be pretty useless, except on wifi... so…

This has nothing to do with Windows 7... hell I am on Windows 7 right now and am fine with it... I'm talking about having to re-learn everything for Windows 8... at that point considering usability, which is what Apple is known for, I'll head down that route... that's not being a fanboy... it's choosing the lesser of…

Yeah but people are complaining about the Verizon logo being on the front... the back would be fine

And is used on Verizon :-) Without a carrier, any phone would be pretty useless (except on wifi)

Agreed. Just seems a little stupid to complain about one but not the other.

Agreed, it does confuse the button's function.. although with newer devices that only have one or two physical buttons, the buttons have multiple functions anyway and you probably won't be looking down to hit the button after the first week anyway, it'll all be by touch. You are right though... but I have a feeling…

Yeah but they do work together and it's a combination of both that will in the long run lead to your overall satisfaction of the device... unless you are always on Wifi, a phone without a carrier is pretty pointless just as a carrier is without a phone (or tablet or whatever).. if phone service sucks, it doesn't…