Well, the percentages vary but most western european style social democracies (mostly thought of as the nordic countries) all follow a similar system with a high flat income tax that all citizens pay above a moderately low hurdle rate for income and a VAT tax on consumption (with some categories being excluded) to pay…

You’re under the Western Euro-style “Social Democracy” one? I must have missed where you guys called for a flat tax system where everyone (not just the rich) pays somewhere between 40-50% of their income for the greater good of society? If that’s the case, I apologize.

Well, socialism seems to mean different things to different people as it’s been implemented in some way shape or form in many countries and never looked the same in any one instance. But the brand I lived through wasn’t just about taxing and providing benefits for all, it was about imposing stiff rules on what could…

And the bar will keep moving from “socialistic” to true “socialism” in due time. Even here in the US, we seem to be adding more and more to our social safety nets every few decades and people are still calling for more to be done.....it’s a slippery slope.

You keep saying that but you aren’t showing HOW the world is so different than when Obama was in power. Even immigration policy is virtually unchanged....what is so different? Give examples so I can understand, please.

From his article on Universal Basic Income:

Any country that has been truly socialist, not just a high tax and generous welfare country, has followed that playbook to the letter.

Please stop. The world is not on fire....it’s actually not much different than it was when Obama was in power so lets tone down the hyperbole, please. It doesn’t help anything.

HamNo doesn’t really call for socialism...he calls for the out and out removal of those who have means so that people like him (the ones who know the right thing to do) can be in power and redistribute everything. I’m being generous by calling that socialism.

I can’t tell what you’re replying to so can you be more specific?

Can you give me examples of people starving in this country, please? There are so many programs available to people that provide housing and food that homelessness shouldn’t exist anymore. Between the SNAP, Obamacare and Section 8 housing, people have most of their needs covered. It’s up to them at that point if they…

They aren’t socialists....they just have high tax rates. That’s a pretty big fucking difference. And in that system, everyone pays a high tax rate, not just the “rich” like in the U.S. where around 50% of the population pays NO federal income tax. They also have no minimum wage laws but a significant VAT system in…

Very well stated....and I find he often touts virtues that are, at best, socialistic without realizing that socialism and communism have led directly to fascism in record time anytime they’ve been tried throughout human history....and “fighting fascism” is what he uses to shield himself from criticism for his…

Excellent point.....for some reason the greats of Argentina’s past seem to revel in tearing this guy down. The jealousy is palpable.

...that they could be vaguely associated with if they try really, really hard.

Is that a joke? It’s worked extremely well (in some form or another) for the United States going on 241 years.

Where has it worked before that you want it here?

“This whole thing about “this is my space; that’s yours” gives people an all too easy way to fuck up each other.”

The electoral college system, as flawed as it is, is the only thing keeping the majority from over running the minority....it works just fine if you put good people up for election.

This policy is abhorrent but you are downplaying JUST how special this country is. There’s a reason immigrants flock here and it’s because where they come from is extremely bad....as are most places that are outside the “westernized world”. So, we should do everything we can to protect this place and keep citizenship…