In my experience, men who talk about how great chivalry is are always jerks. They always buy into patriarchal gender roles, particularly the virgin-whore dichotomy and really only want to be "chivalrous" to a woman as long as he can pedastalize her. It all goes out the window when it's revealed the objects of their…

Honestly, I think most people see their own body type as average. But I don't know either. We don't come in small, medium and large there's such a variety of female shapes that normal just doesn't even exist.

Real men isn't a good term either though. Men who don't fit into the alpha male ideal get called that and that's not cool.

It still implies that certain shapes aren't correct for women to have. For most people, a model body is not attainable. That doesn't mean their bodies aren't real. Keep in mind that most tall thin women are also average women and not glamorous models. There's no need to harm them as collateral damage when…

Are you one person using multiple accounts that always posts this in stories about fashion. Or are there just a whole lot of Marc Jacobs conspiracy theorists out there?

True. Kendall Jenner has nothing on Coco Rocha. Not Iman or Christy Turlington either.

I think it's both. There was definitely implied homophobia in the term "metrosexual." As if real manly straight men don't put effort into their appearances.

No. That's why I said aristocratic. That's not really the point though is it? The wealthy will always be more into fashion than the poor because they can afford it and don't need to dress practically. That's true now too. Don't conflate class and gender. Your claim was that the reason women are held to higher…

Also, men might not judge us on how stylish our clothes are but they sure evaluate us by our fuckability and women wearing baggy sweats are generally not deemed fuckable and if we aren't fuckable, we're worthless. So there's that.

You think ties are confining? Try bras. And those of us with sizable breasts don't have the luxury of taking that bra off in more casual settings. I can't ever leave the house without one except in the winter when I go downstairs to the store to pick up a couple of items and have my giant puffy down coat covering…

It's almost like women grow up in the same patriarchal culture men do and sometimes internalize sexism. Wow!

Yeah and one of the few times a man received widespread criticism of his clothing choice, other men reacted by telling women to go kill themselves on twitter, calling it fascism, using it as evidence that women can't do STEM, even claiming that this was indicative of the collapse of western civilization. Women get…

True. But I tend to think that most people who don't understand male privilege are full of shit. They understand. They pretend they don't because they want to keep the status quo going.

And why does fashion matter more to women than men? Do you think it comes naturally. Or are we socialized that way? A look at the way aristocratic men dressed in 17th century (just as an example) suggests the latter.

When I was trying on jeans there the other day, I saw a plaque in the fitting room saying additional sizes were online. I didn't see that advertised out on the floor. That might be helpful for someone who is on the straight/plus size cusp and brought the largest available regular size into the fitting room and found…

If you don't care about this, why did you click on the story, read it, go to the comments section and reply to someone. If we don't have lives because we're commenting on Jezebel, neither do you.

If the Greek system has a bad PR problem, the burden is on them to fix it. It's not on the rest of us to seek out Greek sites we haven't even heard of. It's on you to come to these comments sections and tell us in a non-defensive way what is being done to fix it. If what we're hearing from you is "but I had a great…

Writing about these issues on blogs and newsletters that only other Greeks read isn't solving the PR problem if you're only showing the defensiveness to outsiders. The defensiveness is all we see. Also, the defensiveness shows up in responses to reasoned criticism. So it would seem like some of you are interpreting…

Are plus sized women shaped any different than regular sized women? It seems to me that women of all sizes come in different shapes. In fact I just bought a pair of jeans at Old Navy in a regular size and they had three different styles. One to fit straight up and down shapes, one to fit curvy shapes and one to fit…

Agreed. I think the tone deafness is more on the part of Victoria's Secret who is partially responsible for our culture's absolutely ridiculous body standards.