Z8 for me as well. Modern Ferraris (aka post 1985) do nothing for me, nor do the Mercedes.

I’ll take the SL65 Black Series, please. I dig those flared fenders!

350 miles. 10 minute full charge.

Range isn’t so much of a problem, recharge rate is the problem.

This, big-time.

Take my money.

It’s like a 4-door Camaro you can see out of. I want it.

“ at least currently.”

Tires make a big difference.

It’s cheaper. MSRP wise, it's finally actually cheaper and in the real world, they sell for considerably less than that. 

If it were Golf, Focus, Impreza hatch shaped, yes.

Nobody  said they suck. He said that “superior battery management” is NOT the reason that 99% of Tesla buyers (or Apple buyers) purchase those products. It’s mostly driven by image, just like many other luxury products. There’s nothing wrong with that, just own it. 

You misspelled “cult-like following among tech-adjacent people who have an unhealthy obsession with one of the company’s founders and will blindly follow anything said company does even if it’s a transparently bad idea.”

The 2022 is actually cheaper but not on the site. In practice a new 2020 Bolt is about $25k-$30k at an actual dealer though, sometimes cheaper.

Lol come on.  They both rule the roost because they’re aspirational image products.  The actual technology means nothing to MOST of eithers customers.  Don’t fool yourself.

I was confused why the Volt’s drivetrain (or upsized version) never made it into other cars. If you could have gotten the plug-in-hybrid drivetrain of the Volt in a ________ (Malibu, Impala, Traverse....) that would have been fantastic!

Imma let you finish but fuck your road trip.

right, there’s all this market segmentation and price differentiation and whosa-wotsits and so on but just, goddamn, you got the batteries, you’ve got the drivetrain, you have some lifted wagons might as well make something people want to buy instead of wanking around coming up with a Cadillac EV 5 years down the road.

Imma let you finish but fuck your road trip. The car has to be comfortable for 95% of the use-cases and bigger is more comfortable. How much heavier is an Impala EV going to be over a bolt? Not that much, for a vastly increased capability at the expense of some range.

gahhh an Impala EV would be the dream.