Rape is forced sex without consent. Consent being everything isn't a bad generalization, it's an accurate one. And yes, there are considerably worse ways in which it starts, but that's not what happened on the show. I'm not sure how better they could have depicted drunk asshole wants sex from the nearest scapegoat to…

I think you're taking things a bit too literally. Pretty much any rape is only a rape if a come on is rejected. Scotty is a skeez that will try to get some at any opportunity. Clearly, he is capable of being more charming towards other women to get them consensually (Luisa, Whitney). Maybe he's so drunk that he…

I always see people say that rape is about power, not lust. But I dunno, it's believable enough that he finds her attractive and was always jealous of his brother. I mean, I think Elisabeth Hasselbeck is human garbage, but I still want to see her naked. Someone prone to emotional problems and violent outbursts is a…

Maybe he buys into the "curse" more than he thinks he does.

Helen and Noah weren't at the Lobster Roll, they were somewhere on the beach near where the ceremony was held. There's definitely a massive discrepancy here, with Noah either being present for Scotty's song or not being there at all until after he dropped off Helen.

It's because you have chosen to engage me by directly contradicting my observations as an argument and you come off abrasive by repeatedly trying to steer the conversation into something that it is not and obtusely ignoring every point with the same excuse.

I wish people knew how to read.

Settle down there and work on your reading comprehension. Do you seriously think I'm trying to claim it wasn't justified? WHERE THE FUCK DID I SAY THAT. Are you trying to claim I said that Scotty has no fault in his own death? READ THE FIRST FUCKING POST I MADE IN THIS THREAD. Jesus Christ.

As I have already said, I was never talking about any prosecution's case.
A happened because B
Without B, A doesn't happen

Agreed, but all I was saying is that she was directly responsible for his death, not that it wasn't justified.

Disagree that Scotty's turn was sudden. He was always the most unscrupulous person on the show and that's saying a lot. He was always a criminal, a guy who goes after underage girls, a drunk, an addict, a temperamental and violent asshole that blames everyone else for his problems. Rapist is hardly a stretch.

Noah's perspective makes no sense unless his account is a version of events where he lies about Alison not being present.

You did not make that remotely clear. You said it was Helen's fault Scotty died because she was driving drunk end of sentence. You made no mention of possible legal liability. I'm talking about cause and effect, whose actions are directly responsible for what happened.

Did you even watch the episode? Scotty was pushed. No push, no death. Period. Helen keeps driving straight to The End and they probably end up ruining their relationships and spiral into destructive old habits.

That's like saying Skippy is at fault for someone's peanut allergy killing them. She would have hit him even if she was sober and completely focused. The means of his death is not the cause of his death.

This weird version of Montauk seems to be a small community where everyone knows each other. So maybe everyone who drives a cab/rideshare vehicle would be at the wedding. Off duty.

Actually, it seems to only be Alison and Scotty's fault. Even though Helen might have been distracted, Scotty wasn't even visible on the road until he got squashed.

I have to disagree that Noah doesn't love his daughter. I'm not defending any of his assholery, but I think there was a definite change with him and his moment on the beach with Helen only furthers what we already know. The scene with the stethoscope, it looked like Alison thought Noah was giving a forced smile,…

My vote goes to Nick Offerman. Loved everyone this season, but dude can monologue like a motherfucker.

See: iZombie, The 100