It also requires competency. In what reality do you think that Manning offers that?

I mean, I think these people know this already but are just trying to obfuscate the matter. Because it is in their interests to act like they are just naive and innocent and not doing this shit on purpose because, unfortunately, it works and they’ve been getting away with it since basically forever.

It’s just another excuse to pick on us #olds

I have a lot of progressive male friends who are off the “boys will be boys” train and jumped straight on to the “but there are gray areas and now I question almost every interaction I have with a female coworker, life is hard, wahh” train. I basically had to say “welcome to our world, boys” because that’s what a LOT…

I’m a man, and contrary to what the media would have you believe, I’m not living my life in fear of being accused of sexual harassment and losing my job. Why? Because I make sure my behavior at work is above board and professional at all times, and that I treat my female colleagues with the respect they deserve as…

Speaking as someone who is no longer young, I’d like to point out there are a lot of patriarchy enablers rising up in the 20-30 something age category. It has a lot more to do with privilege than age.

Agreed. Plus, even a single drop of water at a time will eventually erode granite. The small slights like men constantly talking over you or expecting you to take notes for them wear you down.

And if you’re derailed, you must be “old.” Heavens to Betsy, let none of us ever become “old!”

Exactly. Katie Roiphe was detested by feminists when her stupid Morning After rape book came out. Also, her career began during the Third Wave in the 90s. This is like claiming Ivanka Trump as an example of Millennial Feminism.

Excellent point, the same thought came across my mind reading it to, there is nothing wrong with holding us men to a higher standard. The whole boys will be boys, and we can’t control out urges brought on by the vile temptress’s that women are mentality needs to die. We can control ourselves pretty easily, especially…

And everyone has always hated Katie Roiphe.

I am constantly harassed at work, I have to take it, ignore it and move on because I have kids and I have to feed them.

And what certain age is that? I saw Gloria Steinem speak on cspan and she said, “women become more feminist as they age as they lose power over men and they start noticing how men get paid more and do less around the house.” I am a man, but it seems to me that if it ever makes sense for a woman to be “complicit with…

I really do find that idea of theirs that demanding not to get sexually harassed or worse as “self-imposed victimhood” of a negative context intolerable.

But they identify as feminists. That makes them feminists.

You titled this wrong. If you want to go after liberal feminism, go ahead, but this is not about second wave feminists. You can find this kind of “feminism” in every feminist generation, including your own.

Yeah, I thought fun feminism was 3rd wave.

They don’t recognize themselves in this feminism because they are not feminists. Roiphe, Merkin, Deneauve, etc. all exploit the patriarchy for their personal gain and can’t extend their imaginations to anyone else’s experience. That’s not feminism of any wave.

This article really underscores that while jezebel is great with pointing out the many flaws of lena dunham’s twitter feed, it doesn’t “get” feminist theory.  

Second wave feminism is the absolute anthesis of “liberal” feminism, aka “fun” feminism. You seem to be labeling these women as “second wave” because of their age. Not very feminist of you, is it?